Bush hits new low!

[Snow Wolf]

America is finally waking up and seeing this steaming pile of excement for what he really is! On another positive note, a majority of Americans polled now believe that there should be Democrats in control of the House and Senate in 2006.....good news for rational Americans and the rest of the planet!

http://www.cbsnews.com/stories/2006/02/27/opinion/polls/main1350874.shtml

[Shelbycobra2008]

ahhh politics are so controvertial. why get involved with them?

[gerard]

ahhh politics are so controvertial. why get involved with them?
you have to get involved and be informed. Its the ppl that are not informed and vote by their religion or some other stupid reason that bush is in office!

[SpottyFish]

ahhh politics are so controvertial. why get involved with them?

You'll understand when you're older

[Fae]

I think it's sad that so many teenagers don't want to learn about politics. Even if it's not something they have a major interest in (like getting into political debates), everyone should understand what's going on with the world and in their country. Otherwise, they'll probably have no clue what to do when they get into the voting booth.

Actually, that goes for uninformed adults as well as teenagers.

[phillyboy]

ahhh politics are so controvertial. why get involved with them?
It's good to know about things that affect you every day. Politics basically affect if you live or die, are sent to war, have freedom, eat, have shelter, etc. So I think those are important things to know about. You like snowboarding? What if the government just came to your favorite mountain and said well according to best and highest use we think this area would best be used for a housing development or for some government facility or whatever? Politics. What if the government suddenly said you can't skate at the park you've been skating at since you were a kid? Politics.
If everyone thought like you, we would probably be living in a fascist dictatorship. But if everyone got involved, we probably wouldn't be in something this close to a fascist dictatorship.

[Shelbycobra2008]

well yea i understand all that but i dont see is how othere people dont see how hard it is to be the president. you have to try to please everyone. I mean would you have been happier if bush didnt go to war, didnt do anything, just sat back after 9/11 and let the terrorists attack more places? It is impossible to please the ENTIRE COUNTRY.

now dont attack me for liking bush cuz im not saying i do. im just saying his job aint easy. thats the one thing that pisses me off. people not understanding that the president has to please the entire country and most of the world. there is SOOOOOOO much pressure on him. i would hate to be pres.

rant over

[Naked Hiker]

No, that is a good point shelby! it is a hard job, and they can't please everyone. That is why it is good to be well informed.......two thumbs up!!!!!

[phillyboy]

well yea i understand all that but i dont see is how othere people dont see how hard it is to be the president. you have to try to please everyone. I mean would you have been happier if bush didnt go to war, didnt do anything, just sat back after 9/11 and let the terrorists attack more places? It is impossible to please the ENTIRE COUNTRY.

now dont attack me for liking bush cuz im not saying i do. im just saying his job aint easy. thats the one thing that pisses me off. people not understanding that the president has to please the entire country and most of the world. there is SOOOOOOO much pressure on him. i would hate to be pres.

rant over
Firstly, the current war, the one in Iraq, has a tertiary, if any, relationship to 9/11. And that's just assuming that we're going to take Bush's word that the Al Qaeda attack was linked to Iraq. Otherwise, there is no relationship according to the 9/11 Commission. WMDs? Nope. There are two possible reasons the US could've gone into Iraq: to stop a genocidal dictator or for oil.
If it was the former reason, it's a highly respectable decision. We always say we need to learn from history. Did the US do anything to stop Hitler? Obviously the US didn't even enter the war until they were directly attacked. Maybe it was good to stop Sadam Hussein when they did.
It was most likely the latter reason. I could potentially get behind this idea. But I don't really buy it. Taking oil could very well be a matter of self-preservation. Check out this website and see what you think. http://www.lifeaftertheoilcrash.net/
What I think it was is "Hey there's this evil dictator sitting on a lot of oil. Getting that dictator out of there is a good excuse to get the oil."

About the president's job being a hard one: no doubt. But I don't think it is what you think it is. When horrible decisions are being made, the president is not the only one to blame. There is a large bureaucracy that decisions have to go through before they are made. When the president takes a position on something it is usually the result of his cabinet. And if you ever notice, Congress makes the final decision on most things. A president is a puppet to some extent. And I'm not just saying this about Bush because he can't even speak on a 12th grade level, this is any weak president.

[Shelbycobra2008]

i dont see why everybody is mad about going to war for oil. mucho oil=good. haha. and you know im right

and thanks naked

[phillyboy]

i dont see why everybody is mad about going to war for oil. mucho oil=good. haha. and you know im right

and thanks naked
Money is good too. So I guess I'd be justified in breaking into your house and killing you and your family and stealing any money you have? The problem is that the United States has an overconsumption problem. We're even developing a water problem which we have been looking to Canada to address. Maybe we should invade them?

[Shelbycobra2008]

yea go for it

[Snow Wolf]

First, Bush was obsessed about invading Iraq long before 9-11 and used 9-11 as an excuse to invade. There is a lot of evidence that leads one to believe he may have actually helped 9-11 occur. Discounting that, look at the facts....if you actually paid attention to politics, you would already know this....first he lied about there being WMD`s in Iraq...every weapons inspector on the ground was telling the world that there were no WMD`s......he made up the BS story about Saddam trying to buy yellow cake Uranium from Niger and when Ambassado Joseph Wilson contradicted him **** Cheney commited an act of treason by outing his undercover CIA operative wife Vallerie Plaim thus further crippling America`s abillity to gather foreign inteligence about WMD`s. He was told by all his top military generals that he would need to commit far more troops to secure the peace once the invasion was over and in is ignorance and arrogance, he refused to listen and anybody who disagrees with him gets demoted. You want to keep talking like he is protecting us from terroists....he is the terrorist! He ignored warning after freaking warning starting from the outgoing administration and NSA advisors like Richard Clark who was told to shut up by John Ashcroft....he kept ignoring the PDB`s which were saying things like "Osama Bin Ladden determined to strike America" and "Al Queida cells are in America and are training to fly" and "Al Queida plans on using aircraft as missles" how blind do you have to be to not get the freaking connection????? On 9-11 at 8:47 AM the first plane hit the tower....Shrub knew this had occurred before entering the Florida classroom...still the moron does`nt get it......then at 9:03 AM the second plane hits and Andrew Card tells him we are under attack....still he sits there and reads My Pet Goat for another 8 minutes. Now keep in mind the ATC agencies of America and Canada knew for some 35 minutes that at least 4 commercial airliners had been hijacked....if this criminal bastard had been a leader and gave a crap, he could have shut the airspace down before the first plane hit and had fighter intercept the hijacked planes. Since you don`t follow politics, I bet you don`t know that Bush was a business partner with Osama Bin Ladden`s brother when he was attempting to run Spectrum 7 Energy in Texas. The Bin Ladden family finance Shrub`s misadventures. The man can`t manage his way out of a wet paper bag...every single venture he managed he ran into bankruptcy. On 9-11 when the airspace over America was shut down, 14 planes were allowed to leave, all carrying members of the Bin Ladden family and other Saudi royales without so much as the FBI being allowed to question them. Stop being a scmuck and letting his constant fear mongering about there being a terrorist hiding under every bed waiting to get you like some boogy man and see how poorly he is performing. The information is everywhere about how badly he is screwing up, but you got to give a sh!t enough to read it. Our economy is crashing due to recoed deficits and outsourcing of jobs...the top 1% of the richest are gaining wealth at an unprecedented level while wages and health care for the other 99% are stagnating or declining. America is the only industrialised country without national health care. He denies global warming exisit, guts the clean air act, guts the clean water regulations, allows industry to "self regulate" You are inheriting this mess and it is your age group who is really going to wind up dealing with this mess, so you better start getting a clue.

Lastly...with regard to not understanding why we are mad about going to war for oil...are you really that immature???? That is not hoe a cicilized society behaves in a global community....you do`nt just use your military might to take whatever you want.....your kind of thinking is what is going to turn this planet into a smoldering, radiactive, slag heap devoid of life. I hope you really don`t think it is okay to to just invade a country to take what you want. He is totally unfit to be the President and is a traitor to this country and I personally would like to see him tried, convicted and executed for treason!

[Snow Wolf]

yea go for it\Jesus you are totally ignorant ass!!!!

[Shelbycobra2008]

First, Bush was obsessed about invading Iraq long before 9-11 and used 9-11 as an excuse to invade. There is a lot of evidence that leads one to believe he may have actually helped 9-11 occur. Discounting that, look at the facts....if you actually paid attention to politics, you would already know this....first he lied about there being WMD`s in Iraq...every weapons inspector on the ground was telling the world that there were no WMD`s......he made up the BS story about Saddam trying to buy yellow cake Uranium from Niger and when Ambassado Joseph Wilson contradicted him **** Cheney commited an act of treason by outing his undercover CIA operative wife Vallerie Plaim thus further crippling America`s abillity to gather foreign inteligence about WMD`s. He was told by all his top military generals that he would need to commit far more troops to secure the peace once the invasion was over and in is ignorance and arrogance, he refused to listen and anybody who disagrees with him gets demoted. You want to keep talking like he is protecting us from terroists....he is the terrorist! He ignored warning after freaking warning starting from the outgoing administration and NSA advisors like Richard Clark who was told to shut up by John Ashcroft....he kept ignoring the PDB`s which were saying things like "Osama Bin Ladden determined to strike America" and "Al Queida cells are in America and are training to fly" and "Al Queida plans on using aircraft as missles" how blind do you have to be to not get the freaking connection????? On 9-11 at 8:47 AM the first plane hit the tower....Shrub knew this had occurred before entering the Florida classroom...still the moron does`nt get it......then at 9:03 AM the second plane hits and Andrew Card tells him we are under attack....still he sits there and reads My Pet Goat for another 8 minutes. Now keep in mind the ATC agencies of America and Canada knew for some 35 minutes that at least 4 commercial airliners had been hijacked....if this criminal bastard had been a leader and gave a crap, he could have shut the airspace down before the first plane hit and had fighter intercept the hijacked planes. Since you don`t follow politics, I bet you don`t know that Bush was a business partner with Osama Bin Ladden`s brother when he was attempting to run Spectrum 7 Energy in Texas. The Bin Ladden family finance Shrub`s misadventures. The man can`t manage his way out of a wet paper bag...every single venture he managed he ran into bankruptcy. On 9-11 when the airspace over America was shut down, 14 planes were allowed to leave, all carrying members of the Bin Ladden family and other Saudi royales without so much as the FBI being allowed to question them. Stop being a scmuck and letting his constant fear mongering about there being a terrorist hiding under every bed waiting to get you like some boogy man and see how poorly he is performing. The information is everywhere about how badly he is screwing up, but you got to give a sh!t enough to read it. Our economy is crashing due to recoed deficits and outsourcing of jobs...the top 1% of the richest are gaining wealth at an unprecedented level while wages and health care for the other 99% are stagnating or declining. America is the only industrialised country without national health care. He denies global warming exisit, guts the clean air act, guts the clean water regulations, allows industry to "self regulate" You are inheriting this mess and it is your age group who is really going to wind up dealing with this mess, so you better start getting a clue.

Lastly...with regard to not understanding why we are mad about going to war for oil...are you really that immature???? That is not hoe a cicilized society behaves in a global community....you do`nt just use your military might to take whatever you want.....your kind of thinking is what is going to turn this planet into a smoldering, radiactive, slag heap devoid of life. I hope you really don`t think it is okay to to just invade a country to take what you want. He is totally unfit to be the President and is a traitor to this country and I personally would like to see him tried, convicted and executed for treason!

first, you need to chill man:croc: . im not trying to start a fight im just joking around.
second, bush had some small warnings about 9/11 but it was the groups UNDER HIM that coldnt figure their sh*t out. i may not like politics but i know what is going on. and Bush had good reason for thinking that they had WMD's but were just hiding them. Saddam killed a bunch of people in north iraq with wmds for not agreeing with him. they are finding still finding mass graves and signs of wmds. there were tons of shells. saddam is a good hider we know that. theres millions of places he couldve hidden them. and if we left him in power who knows what else he wouldve done?

and my question still stands:

what would you rather he have done? sat there and let the terrorist ass rape us? or grow some balls and fight back?

are you a hippie or something? think of what kind of place he is in. it isnt easy!!!!!!!!

i dont know about anybody else thinks but i think i wouldve rather gone to war than to sit back.

[thedude]

you have to get involved and be informed. Its the ppl that are not informed and vote by their religion or some other stupid reason that bush is in office!

liek the morons who claim to be part of the party, hate the candiate that is runing for them, but they still vote for them anyways. nto jsut republicans, btu democrates and any other party that runs for the presidency as well.

knowledge is power, and unless peopel take the time to look into politics and decide for themsleves, then idiots are goign to be put into office

[nic rainsberger]

one one gives a **** about politics, this is a snowboard site!!! stop talking about politics!! and start talking about snowboarding!!!!!!

[Zachman]

first, you need to chill man:croc: . im not trying to start a fight im just joking around.
second, bush had some small warnings about 9/11 but it was the groups UNDER HIM that coldnt figure their sh*t out. i may not like politics but i know what is going on. and Bush had good reason for thinking that they had WMD's but were just hiding them. Saddam killed a bunch of people in north iraq with wmds for not agreeing with him. they are finding still finding mass graves and signs of wmds. there were tons of shells. saddam is a good hider we know that. theres millions of places he couldve hidden them. and if we left him in power who knows what else he wouldve done?

and my question still stands:

what would you rather he have done? sat there and let the terrorist ass rape us? or grow some balls and fight back?

are you a hippie or something? think of what kind of place he is in. it isnt easy!!!!!!!!

i dont know about anybody else thinks but i think i wouldve rather gone to war than to sit back.

ya dude thats what i say!

haha nic you tell em!

[thedude]

Money is good too. So I guess I'd be justified in breaking into your house and killing you and your family and stealing any money you have? The problem is that the United States has an overconsumption problem. We're even developing a water problem which we have been looking to Canada to address. Maybe we should invade them?

lol, jesus christ. everyoenknows canadians arn't fighters, the frech ones will hide and tremble, and then try to revolt against us just leik they did to the germans in WWII! long liev the revolution! (jk)

for real though bro, americans are the biggest consumption whores in the world. we waste so muhc ****. did you knwo we actaully had the technology back in the early 90's to produce cars that wree fuel efficent 6 tiems oevr compaired to these fuel cell cars and part time- battery powered cars? Toyota had a version of the Corolla back in '93 that got 65 miels to the gallon, in the city! think about that highway milage!!!! thsi is without a battery, alternate fuel source, or anything!!!sorry for all the exclaimation points, btu thinking abotu it get's me all jumpy and ****. the onyl reason wy i know about thsi is because my dad sells air compresssors, and he sodl a few to toyota for their divisions in detroit, and he got to go to the testing track and veiw some stuff one day. you know what they told him is the reason why that car, and others (yes, others!!!) will neevr see the market? they way their experts worked it out is because it woudl lead to WW3. what has the middle east got other than oil? basically jack ****. the whoel region if not for the oil would have been a waste land. if cars leik that see the market, the whoel middle east plunges into depression. knwo think about hwo they fight allt he time over there, and now think about that all over the globe. hoyl ****, right?

so what are we doign wiht trying to develope autos with alternate fuel sources and stuff now? we are helpign the middle east get itno the act. belive it or not, the middle east is gogin to be the stage for pushing all of this. they got peopel over there workign on it, btu they have to do it slowlly or else all that **** about ww3 will probably come true. not definate, but a high possability. so by haveing the middle eats help in pushing for this, we are fudning them and saving their assesform goign belly-up financially. and what does Bush invadng Iraq do? it pushes this all behind, it hurts the process.

this is where we start thinkign he has his hands in the oil industry, which is a known fact, so by slowing that down, he is making him and hsi friends richer. that's a whel different argument that then leads into the whoel high class secret societies (which do exsist, btu finding info on them is difficult as hell, trust me, i am trying as ha5rd as possible to fid stuff, and i got a few things, btu no names of the societies.) free masons are nto oenof them though, lol, those guys are chill in all of this.

[elwonder8010]

Bush is a good president. The war in Iraq, if successful, will bring new stablilty and freedom to a country used to living under tyranny. Why the **** else would there be mothers in Afghanistan and Iraq naming there children after George Bush!?! I dont agree with everything Bush believes by far, but I do support him.

What pisses me off the most is most liberals want America to **** up in the war just so they can complain about Bush. They look forward to seeing a new death tally because then they can go complain about Bush more. You don't have to agree with the fact that we went to war, but you should be happy with whatever good comes out of it and appreciate it, because its gonna be a lot harder for more good to come out of it when the good things that do happen, such as the Iraq elections, are not supported.

[thedude]

one one gives a **** about politics, this is a snowboard site!!! stop talking about politics!! and start talking about snowboarding!!!!!!

but Gerard has put the politics forum in place here so peopel can talk about it. we coudl talk abotu how politics effect snowboarding as well, liek corporate decisions and the legal processes decide which companies don't file for chapter-11 and which ones do, whihc decides what companies we can ride when we are otu their killign it. if we staretd that though, nobody woudl want to ride anymore! lol

[optionNFAripper]

this site is called snowboard addicts for a reason. do us all a favor n keep ur stupid liberal bull**** off it. cut the man a f*kin break those jihadist sob's came into our country and killed our peopple n destroyed our property, bush is just making sure it doesnt happen again by taking terrorism out once and for all. a job clinton COULD HAVE DONE had he not been too busy at the time he had the chance. bush owns you and your liberal views

[Skankinboy13]

i dont see why everybody is mad about going to war for oil. mucho oil=good. haha. and you know im right

and thanks naked

i like cars, i like oil. im just pissed the ****er lied about the reason we went to war.

[thedude]

i like cars, i like oil. im just pissed the ****er lied about the reason we went to war.

same here man. so much evidence is against him, that him lying about the reason for going to war i think is worse than when Clinton lied abotu getting a BJ form a fat chick. speaking of, i am scared as hell of what will happen if Hilary ever becomes president. i thik we need someoen a little more moderate than her in the office.

moderation is key for any type of system to work, it jsut has to be moral and help the greater good.

[jon1976]

I'm not going to sugar-coat my words here, in hopes of not offending people, I am just gonna tell it like it is....If you like George Bush, or..... if you don't like him yet support him, or.....if you think that no-one could have and/or can do better than he has done/will do....YOU ARE A PUSS FILLED ANUS. There are no two ways about it.

That festering pile of convict excrement is the worst thing this country could have ever had for president. We have gone into a defecit of the TRILLIONS. We have more enemies than we have ever had in the history of this country. We are allowing large corporations to pollute nature, because well, they are filling people's pockets. (If you don't care about that, give someone who does care your board and walk out in front of a bus, you should be exempt from using nature and the outdoors for your enjoyment) We have supreme court justices who are going to turn around a womans right to choose. (they were ultimately chosen by President Dufus) We have the government tapping our phones without warrant. We have Corporate CEO's who happen to be friends with the president, stealing their employees pensions, and not getting much of any repurcussions for doing so. (If you don't think that is a big deal, imagine your grandmother or father working all their lives, to end up having all of their work's savings disappear due to the funneling of that money to the boss and other higher-ups)

These are just the tip of the iceberg, to coin a phrase. NOT TO MENTION, the man is a complete moron. He cannot speak, let alone think for himself. He has made our country the laughing stock of the world. He is a hipocrit. He sent our troops to war to die so he could gain fame, but it has backfired. He is using our brothers, sisters, fathers, mothers, uncles, aunts lives like they are nothing. They are loyal to our country and he has failed them. He is too stupid and proud to say he lied about his motives, and he has sent our troops to fight for his own glory...not our safety.....WE ARE NOW MORE UNSAFE THAN WE WERE BEFORE.

I'm not political, but I have a hard time sitting and reading the posts coming from the puss filled anus's that speak on George Bush's behalf. The ONLY reason he is in office is because the rich stood to become richer under his administration, and the fools who call themselves God-fearing have such blinders over their eyes, that they can't see the forest for the trees.

This country is in deep sh** and you can thank George Bush and his wonderfully inept administration for our collective bend over the barrel.

Speaking of barrels, thank GW for the amount you have to spend when you drive to the mountain. It's his FRIENDS who are getting fat from our going broke at the pump. If the price has gone up, with anything, you can trace it back to higher fuel costs, and you can trace that back to a president who is such a dipsh** frat boy, that he sides with the oil companies and their profits, before he defends the citizens he has been appointed to represent.

You are fools if you like George Bush. I've only touched on a relative few points in this rant. The list goes on and on. WAKE UP.

[Skankinboy13]

how did bush beat mccain in the 2000 primaries for the republican party?

[jon1976]

If you are jumping into this thread late, read post #13. These are FACTS that Snowwolf has cited. You cant deny GW's treason, and these are just a handful of facts that Snowwolf has touched upon.....Dufus Bush does something stupid and detrimental to our country everyday.

[yourmom3112]

i'm not much into politics. but i try to keep up. and i just have one complaint about people who are protesting the war and stuff. you need to start supporting the people over in iraq dying! if you were over there you would want your country to support you. That's just my opinion. and i also don't like people dwelling on what could have happened like if 911 could have been prevented. yes, maybe it could have. but you can't change the past!

[jon1976]

George Bush beat McCain because the rich stood to get richer with him than they did with McCain. Greed.

[jon1976]

And oh yeah, religious baffoonery also.

[phillyboy]

one one gives a **** about politics, this is a snowboard site!!! stop talking about politics!! and start talking about snowboarding!!!!!!
Two things wrong with this post (grammar aside): assuming that's supposed to read "no one gives a **** about politics...." obviously some people do cause we're having quite the discussion here. And second, this is the "Politics" forum. You can choose to ignore it. It might be better if you did, it can get quite heavy in here and we use some big words.

[phillyboy]

i'm not much into politics. but i try to keep up. and i just have one complaint about people who are protesting the war and stuff. you need to start supporting the people over in iraq dying! if you were over there you would want your country to support you. That's just my opinion. and i also don't like people dwelling on what could have happened like if 911 could have been prevented. yes, maybe it could have. but you can't change the past!
No, most likely people protesting the war would not be over there to begin with, so we wouldn't need our country to support us. When I was 19 I had decided to join the Marines. At the last minute I decided not to because I did not want to end up fighting a war that I did not believe in. We all make our choices, we all have to live with them. I'm quite happy with mine regardless if my country supports me or not.
I am a nationalist and I want what is best for my country. I do not believe that going to war is best for my country. I do not believe that polluting the environment and tearing it down is best for my country. I do not believe that taking away the Constitutional rights of citizens is best for my country. I do not believe that George Bush is best for my country. I won't fight for the decisions I disagree with and I won't support anyone fighting for decisions I don't agree with.

[Fae]

Two things wrong with this post (grammar aside): assuming that's supposed to read "no one gives a **** about politics...." obviously some people do cause we're having quite the discussion here. And second, this is the "Politics" forum. You can choose to ignore it. It might be better if you did, it can get quite heavy in here and we use some big words.

Thanks James, took the words right out of my mouth.

To all of you kids bitching about this being "just a snowboarding site" I'd like to point out that you probably haven't been around here for very long. This is a community of people brought together by a love of snowboarding but that obviously has more to discuss than just that. This is why we have the Lodge for off-snowboard conversations. If you don't like it, don't read the non-snowboard threads and go ahead and debate what bindings are the best for the ten millionth time.

Oh, and by the way, I tend to be very liberal, and I personally hate seeing the death tallies come back from the war. I think it's horrible that so many people have died on either side, and I don't get all happy about it because it makes Bush look bad. And if you honestly think that people are psyched to see more people dying just so they can prove their political point, there is something terribly wrong with you.

[phillyboy]

Oh, and by the way, I tend to be very liberal, and I personally hate seeing the death tallies come back from the war. I think it's horrible that so many people have died on either side, and I don't get all happy about it because it makes Bush look bad. And if you honestly think that people are psyched to see more people dying just so they can prove their political point, there is something terribly wrong with you.
Liberal or conservative, I think it's pretty hard to not hate seeing the death toll of a war. I would at least hope that is the case.

[Fae]

Oh, I hope so too. I was just responding to one of the kiddies that said that Liberals enjoy seeing people die because it proves that Bush sucks.

Here's the quote.

What pisses me off the most is most liberals want America to **** up in the war just so they can complain about Bush. They look forward to seeing a new death tally because then they can go complain about Bush more.

[phillyboy]

oh i missed that. maybe i purposely missed that cause it sounds like one of the dumbest things i ever heard. oh well, maybe they'll learn when they're old enough to drive and gas is like $10 a gallon and then they get drafted for the military. oh wait, they're all such big supporters of the war that they're going to join the military as soon as they turn 18.

[eva]

Shelbycobra, sorry bu you're just one other ignorant american who don't give a **** about this world. And please stay quite next time instead of say bull****, you just don't know what you're talking about.

Bush is a cancer for this planet, (among others...)

I just hope for you guys, and for us too, (non-american people), that you will vote for a better president next time, (but who can be worse than BUsh aynways?), and that you'll open your eyes to the world.
Heal not kill.

[Shelbycobra2008]

Shelbycobra, sorry bu you're just one other ignorant american who don't give a **** about this world. And please stay quite next time instead of say bull****, you just don't know what you're talking about.

Bush is a cancer for this planet, (among others...)

I just hope for you guys, and for us too, (non-american people), that you will vote for a better president next time, (but who can be worse than BUsh aynways?), and that you'll open your eyes to the world.
Heal not kill.

i dont about how things go in france but in america there is a such thing as freedom of speech:usa2:. you dont see me telling people to shut up on this forum. im taking in every body's perspective and agreeing or disagreeing with it. still nobody has answered my question: what would have been a better response to 9/11?????

and if you can back up that i dont know what im talking about ill believe you but if not maybe you should stay outta this thread

[jon1976]

The better response is obvious and simple, and what President Dufus did at first......Go into Afghanistan after the people/man responsible for 9-11.

That is a whole lot different than Iraq. Iraq had oil. Iraq also had eluded George Bush senior in the early nineties. President Dufus was trying to be slick...which for him, will never work well because he is too unintelligent....but what he was trying to do, is gain control of their oil, and either avenge his father or show him up.

There were no weapons of mass destruction. Period. They new it and were going in anyway. They figured it would be easier....but we've been getting pretty tuned up. They've been fighting so hard because WE INVADED THEM. You would do them same if any stepped foot in our country with force. You're a fool and a liar if you say otherwise.

Cheney, the evil genius has used his vice presidency as another way to do his business, and now he had our military there to guise what he is really up to. Halliburton. He's gained so much from all of these contractor jobs....

[eva]

Only one thing to say:

you see oil.

I see lives. Billion of lives.

[DPancoast]

Politics no matter what, always end up with people going back and forth with each other. I just read what people have to say and try to keep informed from a SOLID source lol.

[eva]

i'm not much into politics. but i try to keep up. and i just have one complaint about people who are protesting the war and stuff. you need to start supporting the people over in iraq dying! if you were over there you would want your country to support you. That's just my opinion. and i also don't like people dwelling on what could have happened like if 911 could have been prevented. yes, maybe it could have. but you can't change the past!

Yeah support the INNOCENT ONES KILLED BY YOUR ARMY TOO!

You desperate me.

[jon1976]

Yes, Dan, but the majority in here....which is a small but telling cross section of our nation, is against what our country is doing, whether it be in Iraq or here in our own country.

And also Shelly, you said some pretty dumb stuff earlier on in this thread. The type of stuff that makes our country look egotistical, arrogant and inconsiderate. Just because Eva is from France doesn't mean she has nothing good to say, and from her perspective you represented the worst of American culture and thinking when you said that stuff.

You are what got me writing my posts about puss filled anus's............

[User Name]

So much partisan bull**** in this thread I don’t even know where to begin.

I will start out by saying I am like Ed Koch, the former mayor of New York, who disagrees with Bush on basically every issue except the war. The line is Bush lied people died, well than basically every intelligence agency in the world lied because they all said Iraq had WMD. I guess people don’t have very good memories. Also does anyone remember the letter the Democrats in congress sent Clinton in 1998 urging him to do something about Iraq’s WMD’s? Were they lying then? We also know he at least used to have them because he has used them before.

I have been doing a lot of reading on the Iraq war, and build up to it, and history of the Middle East recently and things are a lot more complex than you probably think they are. I have read that Saddam was working on repairing relations with Iran and working with the rest of the Middle East to unite and attack Israel. Saddam knew this time America was serious and were coming for him. Is it totally beyond possibility that he transferred his WMD somewhere else so other countries could continue working on this attack? I have read that more than one person high up in the Iraqi military has said that they were transferred to Syria and both gave the same story about how it was done. Is that true? Time will tell.

The people saying its war for oil, how exactly have we benefited from this oil Iraq has? Did America take over the Iraqi oil? If we were really concerned about oil we could have just let Saddam sell the oil. If it was purely about oil whats the difference between Saddam selling the oil and the new Iraqi government? Oil argument doesn’t hold with me, sorry.

Something I read this morning on The Sydney Morning Herald web page.
http://www.smh.com.au/news/miranda-devine/from-iraqs-front-line-it-looks-like-the-media-has-lost-the-plot/2006/03/18/1142582570062.html?page=fullpage#contentSwap1


On Republicans vs. Democrats, I think there is a small difference between the 2 parties but they have their couple hot button issues to get the public worked up. Both parties when they are in power spend like crazy and are corrupt. Remember when Republicans took control of congress because of corruption in the Democrat party? That was just back in the mid 90’s. Now look, corruption in the Republican party. Remember when Clinton wanted the debt ceiling increased in the 90’s to spend more money and the Republicans said no? Now we have Republicans in power spending way to much money, actually got the debt ceiling increased, and the Democrats are talking about to much spending. I guess when one party is in power the other gets to go on about spending and corruption when they both spend like crazy and are corrupt when in power.

We really need at least one viable 3rd party in this country and until that happens it will be more of the same. One party will be in power and the other side will attack and because we have such short term memories we will vote in the other party because they promise to be different and once they get into power the attack will come from the other side. Every few years repeat.

[Fae]

On Republicans vs. Democrats, I think there is a small difference between the 2 parties but they have their couple hot button issues to get the public worked up. Both parties when they are in power spend like crazy and are corrupt. Remember when Republicans took control of congress because of corruption in the Democrat party? That was just back in the mid 90’s. Now look, corruption in the Republican party. Remember when Clinton wanted the debt ceiling increased in the 90’s to spend more money and the Republicans said no? Now we have Republicans in power spending way to much money, actually got the debt ceiling increased, and the Democrats are talking about to much spending. I guess when one party is in power the other gets to go on about spending and corruption when they both spend like crazy and are corrupt when in power.

We really need at least one viable 3rd party in this country and until that happens it will be more of the same. One party will be in power and the other side will attack and because we have such short term memories we will vote in the other party because they promise to be different and once they get into power the attack will come from the other side. Every few years repeat.


Okay, I agree with a lot of this. Just because I'm liberal doesn't mean I think everyone else should be. I actually really wish we had a four party system, because I think that would probably work out much better than two. My roommates and I have discussed this many times, and I hope that parties like the Green and Libertarians can make themselves less of a joke to help even out the government a bit.

[eva]

In France we have something like the left wing and right wing.
Then we have extrem left and extrem right. Oh, we also have the middle "wing" lol + green + other parties, small ones.
Too many parties is just a lil bit confusing especially now that they're "fighting" insinde their own ones lol.

Anyway, as a non-american citizen, I'd love to see one american president who cares about his country but also about the rest of the world, (and this doesn't mean invading and bombarding every single country he THINKS dangerous.

And by the way, according to me, if Iran had WMD, I'm sure we'd already knew it, having them bombard countries, (we all know how crazy they can be).

[Snow Wolf]

first, you need to chill man:croc: . im not trying to start a fight im just joking around.
second, bush had some small warnings about 9/11 but it was the groups UNDER HIM that coldnt figure their sh*t out. i may not like politics but i know what is going on. and Bush had good reason for thinking that they had WMD's but were just hiding them. Saddam killed a bunch of people in north iraq with wmds for not agreeing with him. they are finding still finding mass graves and signs of wmds. there were tons of shells. saddam is a good hider we know that. theres millions of places he couldve hidden them. and if we left him in power who knows what else he wouldve done?

and my question still stands:

what would you rather he have done? sat there and let the terrorist ass rape us? or grow some balls and fight back?

are you a hippie or something? think of what kind of place he is in. it isnt easy!!!!!!!!

i dont know about anybody else thinks but i think i wouldve rather gone to war than to sit back.

Fist off punk......I did my time and served my country in the Air Force...what have you done???? I put my money where my mouth is and took the risk. I know a little something about the president`s job....Ive voted since Ronald Reagan and every one except Bush seems to have handled the job professionally and with honor....yes even the ones I disagreed with....and up yours with the hippie comment....for the record I have been a Republican untill this bastard came along and soured me on the whole lot of them....wanna know my voting record? Well here it is....Reagan twice, Bush Senior Twice, Clinton once, And here you go dip sh!t....I voted for this son of bitch in 2000!!!!! but I pay attention and saw what he is and voted for Kerry in 2004 and officially changed party to Democrat....so shut the f*ck up!!!!!!!

Second, you are clearly showing that you are a total dumbass....Iraq had absolutely nothing to do with 9-11 and had no connection with Al Queida.....the 9-11 commission concluded this, even Bush himself publicly stated that but you stupid right wing wackos still repeat the lie. What WMD`s Saddam had, are because Donald Rumsfeld under Ronald Reagan gave them to him to fight Iran durring the Iran-Iraq war. No Saddam was not in league with Iran or Al Queida...they are both fundamentalist Islamic organizations and Saddam is a seculat Baathist who America installed in the first place to counteract the Islamic fundamentalism. Saddam was even more of infidel than America in the eyes of Al Queida. This all has its origins long before you were even on the planet! Bush was pressuring the NSA, CIA, DIA to provide him with a reason to invade long before 9-11 ever happened. Have you even heard of the group called "Project for a New American Century"? Its a group of neocon nutjobs that included Cheney Rumsfeld, Wolfowitz, Pearl Wienberger and others. They wrote a manifesto back in 1996 advocating "Pax-Americana, The global dominance of America" this manifesto spelled out the agenda to establish permanent military pressence in Iraq to launch aggression against other middle eastern nations. The most chilling statement they made when they were urging Bill Clinton to invade Iraq was the statement.."All we are lacking is a modern day Pearl Harbor in which to galvanize the American people into support of such action" This leads me to my argument about the so called terrorists that you think he is protecting us from.......it is because of him we were attacked on 9-11 in the first place. He deliberately dropped our defenses and opend the door for the hijackers. Are you aware that Unocal and Enron had jointly built a huge natural gas power plant in New Delhi India that was to be supplied with natural gas from Turkmeinsatn via the Trans-Afghan Pipeline? Problem was, the Taliban who were in power because the United States backed and armed them when the Soviet Union invaded Afghanistan in the late 70`s for precisely the same reason we claim to be there now....to protect themselves from the islamic terrorists....unlike you, I was alive back then and saw the daily news coverage of this war not to mention the Iran-Iraq war!!! Anyway, the Taliban were NOT playing ball with Unocal on getting the pipline completed and our so called diplomats were in Afghanistan in August 2001 threatening the Taliban with military agression if they did`nt play ball...the exact quote was..." we will either carpet you with gold or carpet you with bombs" When 9-11 happened as Bush planned it, he used his old buddy and former business partner Osama Bin Ladden as the patsy so we had a justifiable reason to go into Afghanistan. We could have easily caught Osama anytime we wanted, but it was all a game for show...Bush is on record saying "he is`nt that concerned with him....he doesnt spend that much time on him". There is plenty of credible material out there easily had if you wanted to research it...its not my job to spoon feed it to you. Get yourself educated.

Okay you asked what I think he should have done.....
Well, back in august 2001 when he was repeatedly told that Osama Bin Ladden was determined to attack and Al Queida members were taking flight training, he might have paid attention, but the FBI was told to drop the case....the FBI agent in Phoenix Arizona was totally exasperated with the stonewalling coming from Langley! All of his cabinet level security personel like Richard Clark were raising the alarm and were told to shut up by then attorney general John Ashcroft....also this administration from day one was insisting that evidence be produced to justify invading Iraq...even before 9-11......to this day there are millions of stupid people in America that still think Iraq was somehow involved with 9-11 and Al Queida!!!!
On September the 11`th at 8:47 AM Eastern time the first plane stuck the first tower....Bush knew that had occurred before arriving at the school....any idiot could have put 2 and 2 together and put the nation`s air defenses on high alert...but this dope made the retarded statement when he saw the news coverage of the crash on a TV at the school...."There`s one terrible pilot". He then goes into the class room and when Andrew Card comes in and whispers in his ear that a second plane has also hit the other tower and America is under attack...he sits there blinking like a Goddamn Reesis monkey for another 8 minutes untill his staff takes charge and ushers him out of there....for all he knew we could have been under possible nuclear attack and time was crucial and he just sits there.
When that first plane hit, he should have taken charge, called NORAD and had the US Air Force on high alert and had birds in the air to intercept all air traffic that was deviating from their IFR flight plans......the planes involved would have been lost, but the second tower and the Pentagon would not have been hit.......THATS WHAT I THINK HE SHOULD HAVE DONE.....ACT LIKE A LEADER INSTEAD OF THE BABBLING IDIOT HE IS!!!!
Back in the days of the Cold War which you are too young to remember, our leaders were able to scramble our bombers and flush the ICBM`s within 5 minutes of a launch detection from anywhere in the world......with this piece of sh!t in the White House we would all be smouldering heaps of radioctive slag before he even figured out something had happened

Read the 9-11 timeline...this is just one of hundreds of news links that you read and learn something from.
http://www.cooperativeresearch.org/e...interestingday

Here is an exceprt from the begining of the article....
"At approximately 8:48 a.m. on the morning of September 11, 2001, the first pictures of the burning World Trade Center were broadcast on live television. The news anchors, reporters, and viewers had little idea what had happened in lower Manhattan, but there were some people who did know. By that time, the Federal Aviation Administration (FAA), the North American Aerospace Defense Command (NORAD), the National Military Command Center, the Pentagon, the White House, the Secret Service, and Canada's Strategic Command all knew that three commercial airplanes had been hijacked. They knew that one plane had been flown deliberately into the World Trade Center's North Tower; a second plane was wildly off course and also heading toward Manhattan; and a third plane had abruptly turned around over Ohio and was flying back toward Washington, DC.
So why, at 9:03 a.m.—fifteen minutes after it was clear the United States was under terrorist attack—did President Bush sit down with a classroom of second-graders and begin a 20-minute pre-planned photo op? No one knows the answer to that question. In fact, no one has even asked Bush about it."


Bottom line, he is an incompetent, evil liar who does`nt give a damn about me, you or anyone else in this country other than his select few...the really funny thing is he truly could`nt care less about the relirious nuts who are backing him...he is using them like the brain dead sheep they are. He is destroying our econonomy with a 7 trillion dollar deficit, he is borrowing 2 billion dollars a day from Suadi Aribia and China and he has racked up more foreign debt than the 42 previous presidents COMBINED! He denies environmental policy, drops out of the Kyoto treaties, dropps out of the World Court, the test ban treaties the chemical and biological weapons ban treaties, cuts education more than any president in the history of the republic, guts medicare and medicaid, attempts to destroy Social Security, trashes the Constitution and spies on citizens, torture and murders civilians of Iraq, leaves New Orleans to drown without ordering federal assistance for 3 days, then lies about not knowing the levees would break....the very same levees whos budget he cut drastically.......IT GOES ON AND ON AND ON

[phillyboy]

Okay, I agree with a lot of this. Just because I'm liberal doesn't mean I think everyone else should be. I actually really wish we had a four party system, because I think that would probably work out much better than two. My roommates and I have discussed this many times, and I hope that parties like the Green and Libertarians can make themselves less of a joke to help even out the government a bit.
I think a Parliamentary system would be better. But the way our government is set up I think a 2 party system would work better than a 3 or 4. It's just that as issues change with the times, the parties do as well. Unfortunately right now it seems that rather than foster evolution in the parties, many politicians seem to be bullheadedly trying to gain more recognition for their 3rd party; i.e. 2004 presidential election was not the time for the Green Party to be trying to gain their 5%.
It's easier to fix a broken machine than it is to build a new one.

[Fae]

I think a Parliamentary system would be better. But the way our government is set up I think a 2 party system would work better than a 3 or 4. It's just that as issues change with the times, the parties do as well. Unfortunately right now it seems that rather than foster evolution in the parties, many politicians seem to be bullheadedly trying to gain more recognition for their 3rd party; i.e. 2004 presidential election was not the time for the Green Party to be trying to gain their 5%.
It's easier to fix a broken machine than it is to build a new one.

Actually, I agree with you about Parliament.

[Snow Wolf]

this site is called snowboard addicts for a reason. do us all a favor n keep ur stupid liberal bull**** off it. cut the man a f*kin break those jihadist sob's came into our country and killed our peopple n destroyed our property, bush is just making sure it doesnt happen again by taking terrorism out once and for all. a job clinton COULD HAVE DONE had he not been too busy at the time he had the chance. bush owns you and your liberal views

Yeah its a snowboarding forum with lots of topics and this one happens to be called Politics so shut the f*ck up.....also, you right wing nazis don`t own the f*cking country and us liberals have an equal right to our views too you fascist! Oh and one more thing....get it through your stupid thick head......IRAQ DID NOT ATTACK AMERICA!!!!!

[timothyinvestments]

hey mr snowboard addicts, what the f is this. i thought this was a snowboard forum. now youre bringing in politics. what the f for?

I SUPPORT THE UNITED STATES IN WHATEVER DECISION WE MAKE. I AM 100% BEHIND THE LEADER OF OUR NATION WHETHER REP OR DEM. IF YOU DONT LIKE THE U.S POLICY MOVE TO FRANCE.

please keep this bs off of my computer or I will no longer be a member of this site. i joined for snowboarding topics. if i wanted to talk about politics i would join the politics forum...

[sheil21ob]

For anyone interested...

http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=-8260059923762628848&q=%22loose+change%22%3Cbr%3E

[sheil21ob]

hey mr snowboard addicts, what the f is this. i thought this was a snowboard forum. now youre bringing in politics. what the f for?

I SUPPORT THE UNITED STATES IN WHATEVER DECISION WE MAKE. I AM 100% BEHIND THE LEADER OF OUR NATION WHETHER REP OR DEM. IF YOU DONT LIKE THE U.S POLICY MOVE TO FRANCE.

please keep this bs off of my computer or I will no longer be a member of this site. i joined for snowboarding topics. if i wanted to talk about politics i would join the politics forum...

See above.
Please read all posts as your FAQ may have been addressed. Qute well I might add.

Thanks James, took the words right out of my mouth.

To all of you kids bitching about this being "just a snowboarding site" I'd like to point out that you probably haven't been around here for very long. This is a community of people brought together by a love of snowboarding but that obviously has more to discuss than just that. This is why we have the Lodge for off-snowboard conversations. If you don't like it, don't read the non-snowboard threads and go ahead and debate what bindings are the best for the ten millionth time.

[User Name]

I agree 100% that not everyone should have the same political philosophy. Civilized debate between people with differing opinions is usually beneficial to all sides.

I think our system is fine, I just think both parties are so concerned about keeping their power that they make it as hard as possible for any other party to become mainstream. An informed populace should have no problem with a few more options on who they vote for. But I guess the masses aren’t informed which is probably also why we don’t really have good options.

[eva]

hey mr snowboard addicts, what the f is this. i thought this was a snowboard forum. now youre bringing in politics. what the f for?

I SUPPORT THE UNITED STATES IN WHATEVER DECISION WE MAKE. I AM 100% BEHIND THE LEADER OF OUR NATION WHETHER REP OR DEM. IF YOU DONT LIKE THE U.S POLICY MOVE TO FRANCE.

please keep this bs off of my computer or I will no longer be a member of this site. i joined for snowboarding topics. if i wanted to talk about politics i would join the politics forum...

Pffff this is lame. Okay blame France if you want to, you know what, I don't care. I don't care because I'm not a ****ing patriotic citizen like you are! My country's ok, I like it better than yours, (I've lived in yours so don't even tell me I don't know how it is overthere).

And if you're not happy with this topic, then don't read and stop boring people who DO HAVE an opinion about this! And let me add this: I think, (again), that it's lame not to even know if you're more democrat or rep.

Go buy a brain and stop watching tv.

[DPancoast]

Fist off punk......I did my time and served my country in the Air Force...what have you done???? I put my money where my mouth is and took the risk.



Welp, once again, anyone that joins the armed forces feels the need to bring it out and flaunt it. Yeah, thanks for protecting my rights, freedoms, and daily life, but don't act like you're the only one that cares.

[Snow Wolf]

I just love these brain dead bozos who come into the Politics forum and whine about us all talking politics....go smoke another one loser!!!!!


For anyone interested...

http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=-8260059923762628848&q=%22loose+change%22%3Cbr%3E

Wow! thanks for posting that...it is very telling. here are some more good links

Here are a few links......

Project for a new American Century:
http://www.newamericancentury.org/index.html

Democratic Underground:
http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=358x701

Information Clearing House
http://www.informationclearinghouse.info/article2319.htm

911 in Plane Site
http://www.911inplanesite.com/

911 Truth dot Org
http://www.911truth.org/

Want to Know dot Info
http://www.wanttoknow.info/9-11cover-up10pg

Info Wars
http://www.infowars.com/

Yeah, typical red necked brain dead thing to do...bash France.....these morons are just pissed that the people and government of France were not able to be duped by Shrub`s lies....I miss what America used to represent!

[Snow Wolf]

Welp, once again, anyone that joins the armed forces feels the need to bring it out and flaunt it. Yeah, thanks for protecting my rights, freedoms, and daily life, but don't act like you're the only one that cares.

No you got it wrong...he insinuated I was some hippie without the balls to fight.....I only brought it up to prove my point...you might want to get the whole picture...besides, you seem a little defensive about it.

[DPancoast]

oh alright. I meant no offense in my statement. I on 3 seperate occasions went to a Marines recruiter and each one called me a smartass when I was in there with serious intentions. Everyone in my highschool class or close contact that went into the armed forces, tend to use that fact as an excuse to put down someone. Im not saying that you did...but I just don't get why lol.

[timothyinvestments]

Thank you Eva for moving to France and leaving our country. That was instant satisfaction for me...

[Snow Wolf]

No prob bro....
Yeah that is BS. and I saw that a bit too...not so much in the AF as we were pretty mellow. Besides, we all serve our country in different ways.....from firefighters and cops to linemen to railroaders and truckers to Airline pilots....even some politicians try.

[DPancoast]

yeah, pretty much. I everytime, they'd be like, well you seem like a real smartass. and I'd be like "thanks for your time" and walk out. I was just trying to be myself in my responses.

[thedude]

has anybody esle noticed that all these peopel telling us to stop talkign about our "bull****" politics have all less than liek 50 total posts? thsi are the type of people who fail to recognize that IN THE TOP LEFT CORNER OF THE SCREEN IS A TITLE BOX THAT SAYS WHAT TYPE OF BRANCH OF THE FORUM YOU ARE IN, AND IT SAYS POLITICS. so before you start the whole "this is a snowboarding forum, leave politics out" deal that keeps popping up, realize you are in the POLITICS section

[Snow Wolf]

Amen bro!!!!!

[DPancoast]

yeah, otherwise. What are we going to do in the summer months? lol

[jon1976]

hey mr snowboard addicts, what the f is this. i thought this was a snowboard forum. now youre bringing in politics. what the f for?

I SUPPORT THE UNITED STATES IN WHATEVER DECISION WE MAKE. I AM 100% BEHIND THE LEADER OF OUR NATION WHETHER REP OR DEM. IF YOU DONT LIKE THE U.S POLICY MOVE TO FRANCE.

please keep this bs off of my computer or I will no longer be a member of this site. i joined for snowboarding topics. if i wanted to talk about politics i would join the politics forum...

I am not sure you are aware of the relative placement between your head and your bum. I would suspect that if you opened your eyes, you might find that you see flesh and poop.....pull your head out. THIS IS A SECTION ABOUT THE DISCUSSION OF POLITICS.

I for one, am not stopping your exodus.....take care.

[jon1976]

Thank you Eva for moving to France and leaving our country. That was instant satisfaction for me...

another baffoon disrespecting the lady because she lives in France. Lay off, go chew some straw, and keep hating anyone and everyone who isn't American.

If you had the slightest bit of deductive reasoning, you might figure out that THE WORLD has problems with our Presidents worldly conduct. She has just as much right to talk in here as you do. Jump in a silo and choke on grain...

[Fae]

Okay, that's it guys. This topic has degraded itself into name calling and that's about it. I'm all for political debate, but keep it intelligent and un-inflammatory. And once again, if you don't want to read about politics, it's easy enough not to come to this forum.

If this topic continues to be out of hand, I'm going to close it down.

Please try to keep this place level-headed and mature guys, or we won't have a place to discuss these issues.

[jon1976]

That's it?..........

[Fae]

What, would you rather I just close it?

Will do.

edit: I should probably also mention that there are a couple of other threads about Bush in this forum, and I fully encourage you guys to respond to those. Please just try to keep things level-headed. :)

[gerard]

hey mr snowboard addicts, what the f is this. i thought this was a snowboard forum. now youre bringing in politics. what the f for?

I SUPPORT THE UNITED STATES IN WHATEVER DECISION WE MAKE. I AM 100% BEHIND THE LEADER OF OUR NATION WHETHER REP OR DEM. IF YOU DONT LIKE THE U.S POLICY MOVE TO FRANCE.

please keep this bs off of my computer or I will no longer be a member of this site. i joined for snowboarding topics. if i wanted to talk about politics i would join the politics forum...
Ok, this topic is now closed and I missed most of it actually but reading back it mostly looks like a flame war with some intelligent discussions. Is that Mr. Snowboard Addicts comment thrown towards me? Yes, this is a snowboarding site. However, there is plenty of room for other discussions. Why not!!