Windows XP running on new Macs

[SimonInAustralia]

From the Apple website...
http://www.apple.com/macosx/bootcamp/

'Macs do Windows, too. (http://www.apple.com/macosx/bootcamp/)
Download Boot Camp public beta today.

More and more people are buying and loving Macs. To make this choice simply irresistible, Apple Computer will include technology in the next major release of Mac OS X, Leopard, that lets you install and run the Windows XP operating system on your Mac. Called Boot Camp, you can download a public beta today. Boot Camp gives you a CD with drivers you need for Mac-specific hardware, partitions your hard drive to make room for Windows, and lets you choose which operating system to run at startup. Welcome to the new Mac world.'

[Bonzai_OMFG]

wow how ironic. we'll i guess I would even consider buying a mac now for the hardware once their new OS comes out. Good move on their part imho. It's still a bit early though since from what I've read so far their is no support for boot camp since it's in beta phase. It will be interesting to see if windows will support their software being used with boot camp.

[gerard]

yeah its pretty sick. It started out that they didn't want to do it, then there was a project where some guys got it to boot so I guess apple gave in. Pretty neat though. MacOSX on normal hardware would be nice too though...

[Laundrew]

you can run osx on normal hardware. I have friends who have been doing for the past two years

[sheil21ob]

is this made possible by the use of the intel processors?

[Bonzai_OMFG]

yes, well sorta

In the past you could use microsoft's Virtual PC software to run windows within Mac OSX. The performance wasn't too hot though. It was basically there so Mac users could run windows applications by opening a virtual windows environment within the mac environment.

Without going into too much detail, PC's boot with an old legacy firmware called BIOS (Basic Input Output System), and Macs/Macintels boot with a more modern firmware called EFI (Extensible Firmware Interface). BIOS is pretty much specific to the x86 processors you find in PC's. Intel however has been working on EFI for x86 for some time now. Windows is designed to boot with the x86 cpu's BIOS firmware, although the 64bit windows vista is suppose to have EFI support. Mac moving to intel x86 processors basically left an open door for someone to bridge the gap between the more modern EFI and old BIOS, which is what boot camp does for these new macs using intel processors, thus in short allowing macintel users to use either operating system.

[sheil21ob]

cool. can you run diff OS on one machine, such as with diff users?

[SimonInAustralia]

You know whats Ironic about that program... I actually know the person who made it and I am going to start working with him. The program has actually been out for several years by the way...You talking about Virtual PC, or Bootcamp?

And why is it ironic?

[Snow_bunny18]

I was talking about Open O SX, the open-source GIS software. I thought It was Ironic Because I didn't think his product had made it all the way to Australia yet it Hit Japan pretty big though.
and I'm sorry If you didn't want me Saying anything in your thread.

[kelly]

uh, I think anyone can say anything in a thread, that's the point of a forum.

I'm not sure if I'd run bootcamp or not... I'd rather not have windows at all.

[SimonInAustralia]

and I'm sorry If you didn't want me Saying anything in your thread.Have a cry why don't you!

When did I say anything about not being able to post in this thread, I simply questioned where the irony was in your original post, you d!ck!

[SimonInAustralia]

I was talking about Open O SX, the open-source GIS software. I thought It was Ironic Because I didn't think his product had made it all the way to Australia yet it Hit Japan pretty big though.
and I'm sorry If you didn't want me Saying anything in your thread.As far as I can tell OpenOSX is not software itself, but a company that sells software. One of the products that OpenOSX sells is a GIS applictaion, but that is totally unrelated to Bootcamp.

Bootcamp is not GIS (Geographic Information System) software, it is a set of drivers that allow WindowsXP to run nativly on Mac Intel boxes.

OpenOSX seem to sell a product that allows WindowsXP to run as a process within the MacOSX environment. But that is not what Bootcamp does.

WTF are you talking about?

Must be surprising that a product makes it all the way down here to Australia, seeing as we are so isolated from the rest of the world!

[Snow_bunny18]

Wahhhhhhh....^_^

[SimonInAustralia]

Wahhhhhhh....^_^Yep, that is about the extent of your intelligence!

[willsnowboardforfood]

I have a friend running OSX on his dual proc xeon machine and it runs better than any new mac Ive seen

[gerard]

Maybe she is thining of darwin ports? http://darwinports.opendarwin.org/

[gary]

uh, I think anyone can say anything in a thread, that's the point of a forum.

I'm not sure if I'd run bootcamp or not... I'd rather not have windows at all.

yeah... i have yet to get a macbook pro (still using an ancient powerbook), but i would imagine having windows running off of the same harddrive as os x would be a bad idea if you got a virus... especially if it's one that infects the boot sector or something. because then you're screwed. i'd rather not have windows... i'd rather just build a separate computer entirely on-the-cheap if i wanna run windows programs than risk losing all of the work i have.

[Snow Wolf]

I know nothing about a Mac, but have heard the OS is more stable than a PC. What would be the advantage of running Xp on the Mac over having a PC other than getting a second computer when you already own the Mac....would the Mac run XP better than a PC? Sort of a dumb question I guess, since it really could`nt be much worse than the stupid sh!t a PC does on a regualr basis.....:)

[kelly]

The advantage I guess, would be that it would allow you to still use a mac most of the time, but switch to a PC for specific software (games, for example) that only come on PC.

[SnowGeek]

It sounds good, but dual-booting gets old really fast. Like garylu said, it's easy and pretty cheap to put together a Windows machine.

[username? tim?]

i still won't buy a mac... i like em and all but i don't like how they read cds... lol... i'll just get a reg computer for music i guess

[username? tim?]

aaaaaaaaaand you can't right click... i like my right click... but you can force quit which is amazing