M@ssholes

[Gumby21]

Ok, I'm living in Massachusetts for 6 months. I've been here about a month and a half already, and the longer I'm here, the more I'm convinced I'm going to get into a car accident before the end of the 6 months. Just about 45 minutes ago when I was coming home from work I must shave nearly gotten into 2 or 3 accidents, the worst one being when I was pulling into my apartment complex and somebody coming out was driving on the wrong side of the road in the parking lot and nearly hit me head on. Any thoughts on Massachusetts drivers in general, or drivers from any other states you want to complain about?

[namelesspunk00]

I was just in Boston this pass weekend... Holy ****. Not as bad as NYC, but awfull nonetheless. People driving on the wrong side of the road, backed up lanes, crazy drivers.... such a headache.

[kelly]

I seem to remember a complete disregard for the lane lines painted on the freeway the last time I passed through Massachusetts... there were like 6 lanes of traffic on a 4 lane highway.

[GermanPride]

i don't drive but from what i hear people suck and from what i see people suck at driving in mass

[Snow Wolf]

Drivers in Oregon are pretty dumb too.....they like to do things like drive in the left lanes 2 or 3 abreast and do 50MPH so no one can get around. Also, you would think that in Oregon these morons would have figured out how to drive in rain.....not so, they all do like 30 with a white knuckle death grip on the wheel. The one that really gets me is going up to Mt. Hood.....I have a 2 wheel drive Ranger pickup that is really touchy on snow...I am easily going 45 or 50 with no problem, then I come up on these people in a huge 4 wheel drive SUV with chains on and they are going 20...again with a white knuckle death grip...when I try to pass they straddle the center line to block me in....oh sweet jesus where is my gun?????? I am from Arizona and by and large the drivers there are pretty good....we all go REALLY fast with 75MPH posted limits (90 to 100 is not uncommon) and you do not want to get in someones way by home steading in the left lane....in Arizona they do sometimes use guns.

[HnE_v2]

I avoid driving in the densely populated areas of MA whenever I can. Yes, it's to avoid the M********.

Are all MA drivers like that? No, but enough of them are to make me want to never have to go thru a big city anywhere near normal commuting hours.

Good luck.

[Type_0]

here in mass... we just dont give a sh!t.... well most people dont.

and thats why were m@ssholes

and then theres my theory/joke about using cell phones while driving:
having an angry conversation = swerving to the left
happy conversation = swerving to the right
not a happy or sad conversation = swerving all over the effin place.

[snowboardingiguana]

i've lived in MA all my life. Our drivers aren't bad. It's people from out of state who don't know how to drive :-P. There is a reason we are called m*ssholes. Our driving habits are one of them. but we are m*ssholes and proud of it. and if you don't know how to drive in, around, and out of a rotary, please do not even attempt it.

[bc1718]

I dont drive, but I guess that we are kind of bad. I think NH drivers are worse though. I've never managed to be in any sort of accident in MA but I have seen a truck flip over when it was on the ramp onto the highway. I think, like someone else said, its out of staters who sometimes screw us up. You have to be an agressive driver in MA my dad says when we drive through Boston traffic.

Also, I think its also dumb moms or other people who have their giant SUV's and dont know how to drive them. If your gonna have an SUV, learn how to drive them.

Oh yeah, Gumby, did you get in any crashes in Andover? I dont think theres been a major crash here since the mom died when she was pulling out of a daycare center across the street from my friends house. And why'd you come to Andover? Good public schools? Phillips???

[willnason]

i dont think its us m******** that are the problem. Its everyone else that comes here and dont know what they are doing, driving 20 mph looking around like its some kind of tour when other people have somewhere be

[kelly]

Yeah, it's always the other people, not you ;)
you do realize that some people might need to drive a little less than 90 mph because they're trying to figure out where they have to go, right?

[Type_0]

Yeah, it's always the other people, not you ;)
you do realize that some people might need to drive a little less than 90 mph because they're trying to figure out where they have to go, right?

dont be silly, thats what mapquest is for :-P

[Mike Fork]

I dont drive, but I guess that we are kind of bad. I think NH drivers are worse though. I've never managed to be in any sort of accident in MA but I have seen a truck flip over when it was on the ramp onto the highway. I think, like someone else said, its out of staters who sometimes screw us up. You have to be an agressive driver in MA my dad says when we drive through Boston traffic.

NH drivers are the worst, on route 1 in revere near one of the exits there was no traffic at all and people going fast and one idiot with nh plates missed his exit so he started going backwards in the fastlane with people swerving into the other lanes to avoid this guyy

[cmr66]

oh man. iowa is pretty rediculous. seriously... they dont even know what the hell is going around. i firmly believe that they take no sort of driving test prior to getting their license.. f'n idiots.

[sCReamBloodygORE]

a 30 mph speed zone in mass really means 40-45 yup

and i like to avoid pot holes.. and streets around here SUCK!!!!

but other then that i'm a good driver...


what sux more then anything tho... driving in boston and cambridge .. and finding parking in harvard square its horrible!!

[karen]

you do realize that some people might need to drive a little less than 90 mph because they're trying to figure out where they have to go, right?

oh man i HATE it when people do that, i mean god you should know where you're going, and you don't have to drive 15 mph to read a street sign, seriously they piss me off.

the highest posted speed limit in alaska is 65 mph, on one highway that i pretty much never use. it's so ridiculous, every other highway is 55 mph so obviously everyone is going 65 anyway. and there isn't even a reason to have low speed limits like that (if anyone mentions "icy conditions" i'll figuratively kick your ass).

[Type_0]

a 30 mph speed zone in mass really means 40-45 yup

and i like to avoid pot holes.. and streets around here SUCK!!!!

but other then that i'm a good driver...


what sux more then anything tho... driving in boston and cambridge .. and finding parking in harvard square its horrible!!


pack ya caa at haviid yaad!! dur!

[Snowcat pat]

a 30 mph speed zone in mass really means 40-45 yup

and i like to avoid pot holes.. and streets around here SUCK!!!!

but other then that i'm a good driver...


what sux more then anything tho... driving in boston and cambridge .. and finding parking in harvard square its horrible!!

Hahahah, Its your policy to hit 55 pulling out of your driveway ex-babe.
Your a decent driver, you dont scare me too bad.
I know ive scared you a few times on the bike hahah.

And yeah, alot of people in MA cant drive, alot of people everywhere cant drive.
People here cant drive in a fast, crazy kinda way. Elsewhere they dont move and I flip out.

Coming from the kid who got a 670 dollar speeding ticket. hahah.

-Pat

[ADRsk8boarder]

i dont no bout outside the us its mexico n generall , no signals and like 12 yearold are driving quads with ike 5 other people on them, no speed control, scariest **** ive ever been in.. one lady was standing out f her sun roof hold her 10 month old baby on th hood while going 60

[sCReamBloodygORE]

no the policy is i hit at least 55 between the lights and my house and pull in going 30

haahaa

[snowboarding_bear]

haha boston is the numero uno scariest place to drive lol

[sCReamBloodygORE]

does that mean i can handle anything?

sweet deal....

[NEFFsteeze]

AAHHH i hate massachusettes and the way people drive. I live right near the border of mass but i live in new york. Im used to the speed limits in new york being like 55 i cross the border and it slows down to 35 or 40. They all drive soo slow i pass people every chance i get whenever im in mass.

like no offense to people from massachusettes but all the people that live in mass that i talk to are really snobby and **** and drive a volvo. Is that a massachusttes thing or just cuz one of the towns near the border is gay?

[ADRsk8boarder]

old volvos= pimp
new volvos= crap cause there made by ford
late 80s early 90's trubo station wagons were the coolest

[Type_0]

AAHHH i hate massachusettes and the way people drive. I live right near the border of mass but i live in new york. Im used to the speed limits in new york being like 55 i cross the border and it slows down to 35 or 40. They all drive soo slow i pass people every chance i get whenever im in mass.

like no offense to people from massachusettes but all the people that live in mass that i talk to are really snobby and **** and drive a volvo. Is that a massachusttes thing or just cuz one of the towns near the border is gay?

uhm, most people in mass, the last time i checked, drove TOO FAST. maB there just outcasts, so they live in wester n mass.:noidea:

[ADRsk8boarder]

uhm, most people in mass, the last time i checked, drove TOO FAST. maB there just outcasts, so they live in wester n mass.:noidea:

u just made unic feel silly.. haha

[NEFFsteeze]

maybe its the western mass thing then. Ive never been out near boston or anything so i woulndt know about out there

[tooch]

like no offense to people from massachusettes but all the people that live in mass that i talk to are really snobby and **** and drive a volvo. Is that a massachusttes thing or just cuz one of the towns near the border is gay?

it's cuz the town near the border is full of all the ex-new yorkers that figured out that the living is better in mass.

i grew up near nyc and have lived in mass for 22 yrs. i must be the all time worst driver, i guess.

[snowboardingiguana]

dude, i lived in the berkshires for 4 years while I was in school and I grew up in central MA. People in the berkshires do NOT know how to drive. and southern berkshire county (and williamstown to the north) has money, and lots of it. hence the volvos.

[NEFFsteeze]

dude, i lived in the berkshires for 4 years while I was in school and I grew up in central MA. People in the berkshires do NOT know how to drive. and southern berkshire county (and williamstown to the north) has money, and lots of it. hence the volvos.


Exactly, thats right where i live near the berkshires.

Oh yeah for anybody else i live nowhere near NYC so theres no comparison to that.

[NEFFsteeze]

it's cuz the town near the border is full of all the ex-new yorkers that figured out that the living is better in mass..

No just most of them are snobs that eat tofu, do yoga, and drive volvos and thats about it

[ADRsk8boarder]

wuts wronge with that sounds like there smart cause they seem like people that wouldnt vote for bush

[boarderchyck89]

yeah they suck really really bad...their like al these pissed off people all trying to get to the smae place...and it matters who gets their frist...it a pain in the ass..this guy passed me on this wicked smaal road and i was alreading speeding and he chipped of the car coming the other way and that car spun off and hit me and i hit a tree i was lucky to be alive.....i hate driving in mass but i have to tell u texas is alot worst

[NEFFsteeze]

wuts wronge with that sounds like there smart cause they seem like people that wouldnt vote for bush


No they wouldn't vote for bush. They wouldn't vote for kerry either. Most of them snobs voted for nader.

If you lived here and actually could see what im talking about, you would understand.

[snowboarding_bear]

speed limits only exist if

a) your an old grandpa and grandma...then you gotta go like 20 mph under lol
b) if a cop is around

[aarisprout]

I live in Mass and I must say I SUCK at driving so watch out. But it does depend on what area you are in tho, I mean BOSTON! Forget about it! That place is a friggin ZOO!

[ADRsk8boarder]

nader = the greatest.. he just doesnt have enough support but if i was 18 i would vote for peter camahoe ofr govenor in the california elctions

[Snowcat pat]

yeah they suck really really bad...their like al these pissed off people all trying to get to the smae place...and it matters who gets their frist...it a pain in the ass..this guy passed me on this wicked smaal road and i was alreading speeding and he chipped of the car coming the other way and that car spun off and hit me and i hit a tree i was lucky to be alive.....i hate driving in mass but i have to tell u texas is alot worst

Hahahahhahahahhaha.
That sounds about right, I will pass you to beat you to the next red light.
We have alot of narrow backroads too, the combination of city plus narrow twisty backroad trains us to drive like ******** in any given situation.

ADRsk8boarderwuts wronge with that sounds like there smart cause they seem like people that wouldnt vote for bush

Ahahahahahahahahahahahahaa. Yeah ok this states chock full of morons just like everywhere else.We have more educated morons than say kentucky, west virgina, texas, lol. We have less religeon too at least.
Perhaps MA is so liberal because we are sorta insane.
Tighter gun control laws keep out of state road rage deaths down.

snowboarding_bearspeed limits only exist if

a) your an old grandpa and grandma...then you gotta go like 20 mph under lol
b) if a cop is around

AHhahahahahahahah

Today alone I got air twice with my moms minivan doing 60 in a 25

Make no mistake though, speed limits are important, 10 over is safe, its the weakest ticket a cop can write. Its a warning on the off chance he even looks twice at you. Anything over 15 over is fair game and shouldnt be a travel speed unless your in a rush or on the highway.
On the highway you need to be doing 75-80 or you are impeding the flow of traffic in the slowlane hahahahah.
But yeah, ignore a speed limit and go 20 over past a random cop and he will bag your ass for sure.
I need a radar detector lol.

My personal best is a little better than 5x the posted speed limit, 130 something in a 25 on a GSXR-750 hahaha.

-Pat

[Type_0]

for my road adventures. 120 past gelette stadium in heavy traffic(not a game) in a 96' impala ss.

[boarderchyck89]

there is a place where i live where the speed limit goes from 40 to 15mph....like 15 who makes signs that say 15mph i mean wow...and going from 40 15 is impossible and it just maeks more accedants

[Snowcat pat]

there is a place where i live where the speed limit goes from 40 to 15mph....like 15 who makes signs that say 15mph i mean wow...and going from 40 15 is impossible and it just maeks more accedants

So the speed limit goes from 40 to 15?
Im sure theres a damn good reason. Going from 40 to 15 is about as impossible as applying the brakes . And you think that decellerating from a higher rate of speed to a lower one, "just maeks more accedants"

Your two brain cells must have been talking to each other to come up with that one.

Even m******** as myself frown upon running over small children. I dont play go speed racer in residentials after school and when kids are out.
I dont need some kid to chase a ball right up over the windshield, and if I saw them go under the car id pretty much die.

2 am though and I have turns 1 -32 in my around the lake circuit down.



Gotta love MA, you fookers out west have the straightest roads. Around here a flat straightaway is soooooo much more rare than an up/ downhill / corner.

-Pat

[Type_0]

we dont take things for granted as much...

we appreciate things more.

idk, im kinda making this up.

[Lovebunnie1319]

i live in mass but i live in the upper part now i used to live in boston cause of all the traffic i just walked everywhere or took the subway it ant worth drivin there but now i have to drive to get anywhere lol i live in hicks lol

[Type_0]

i live in mass but i live in the upper part now i used to live in boston cause of all the traffic i just walked everywhere or took the subway it ant worth drivin there but now i have to drive to get anywhere lol i live in hicks lol

rawful. hicksville. its a real town in mass. down near the cape though.

[sheil21ob]

I was just in Boston this pass weekend... Holy ****. Not as bad as NYC, but awfull nonetheless. People driving on the wrong side of the road, backed up lanes, crazy drivers.... such a headache.

Hey!
NYC drivers are the best in the world! it's just all those darn tourists driving around. They must psych themselves up before hand... "ok, it's gonna get hairy out there, just close your eyes, and go straight... remember what ever you do, don't let a pedestrian into the crosswalk! Get really aggressive and pretend you're a new yorker........

[forumrider9753]

I'm pround to be from MA, we have the hardest ice around and we got Todd Richards. What else could we possiblt need?

[snowboarding_bear]

AHhahahahahahahah

Today alone I got air twice with my moms minivan doing 60 in a 25

Make no mistake though, speed limits are important, 10 over is safe, its the weakest ticket a cop can write. Its a warning on the off chance he even looks twice at you. Anything over 15 over is fair game and shouldnt be a travel speed unless your in a rush or on the highway.
On the highway you need to be doing 75-80 or you are impeding the flow of traffic in the slowlane hahahahah.
But yeah, ignore a speed limit and go 20 over past a random cop and he will bag your ass for sure.
I need a radar detector lol.

My personal best is a little better than 5x the posted speed limit, 130 something in a 25 on a GSXR-750 hahaha.

-Pat

haha a minivan? scary...but yeah...my friends and i were drivin my other friends bmw 325i sport edition or w/e and theres like this bump in the middle of the intersection on "clyde morris" and another on "nova" and if you go like...40 over it your gettin air...we went about70...haha nearly shat myself...lmaoand then the big brigdes down here to get over to beach side at the very top if you time it right no one is on the other side and you haul butt up the bridge and you garantee to get some distance...we did that in my friends 98 trans am...and then again in my otherfriends chevy cobalt...haha....there was a cop...when we had the cobalt...but we drove down and hide in a neighborhood...it was good fun

[jstarr81488]

My personal best is a little better than 5x the posted speed limit, 130 something in a 25 on a GSXR-750 hahaha.

-PatTops mine but not by much.. I got bagged on the highway doin 140. The funny thing about it was I cut in front of the cop that pulled me over doin 140. It was an undercover cop. Anyways I decided That I would try to fight even thoughti thought it would be useless. But the cop didn't show up so I got off.

[Mike Fork]

haha a minivan? scary...but yeah...my friends and i were drivin my other friends bmw 325i sport edition or w/e and theres like this bump in the middle of the intersection on "clyde morris" and another on "nova" and if you go like...40 over it your gettin air...we went about70...haha nearly shat myself...lmaoand then the big brigdes down here to get over to beach side at the very top if you time it right no one is on the other side and you haul butt up the bridge and you garantee to get some distance...we did that in my friends 98 trans am...and then again in my otherfriends chevy cobalt...haha....there was a cop...when we had the cobalt...but we drove down and hide in a neighborhood...it was good fun
theres a jump in my town and we were getting a ride home from this girl we know from stoneham and she ht the thing going 85, usually when you hit it you are going 30 and you catch some air because of the way it was built, but at 85 we just caught the biggest air over the thing. she cleared the landing by a few feet and everyone in the car smashed off of the inside roof(ceiling? idk anything about cars) her spedometer also got stuck at 85

[sheil21ob]

theres a jump in my town and we were getting a ride home from this girl we know from stoneham and she ht the thing going 85, usually when you hit it you are going 30 and you catch some air because of the way it was built, but at 85 we just caught the biggest air over the thing. she cleared the landing by a few feet and everyone in the car smashed off of the inside roof(ceiling? idk anything about cars) her spedometer also got stuck at 85


Girls Kick Ass!

[SNOWBOARDING_IS_AWESOME]

on a sunday night coming off the mountain and getting on i-80 is like impossible. cause you got all these people coming back to california from reno where they lose all their money so they are in a bad mod mood. the traffic seems to back up forever. and when i need to merge lanes to get to my exit people being the a**holes they are will get right beside you even if your blinker is on cause they cant be doing under 70 and dont wanna get home any later, so i miss my exit oh and they are always on their cell phones to. :boom::frusty:
there im done with my ranting and raving.

[Burton Doom]

why do you think their called m********?

[Burton Doom]

well i can't be a hater cuz i know a few awsome people who live up their. their weird but nice. There are a lot of freekshows up there too though

[K1LL3rKr0n1C]

being a vermonter i can tell you that we dont call them m******** because of they way they drive in mass. We call them m******** because they think they can bomb their big ass, obnoxious SUV's down vermont interstates, at 100 MPH in a ZERO visibility snowstorm. And they wonder why we point and laugh while they're being towed out of a ditch. Just cuz it cost 60,000 dollars and weighs 4 tons doesnt mean its an f'ng snowplow. :P

[Gumby21]

one of my personal favorites is when someone wants to make a left turn out of a parking lot or something so they just pull right out HALFWAY onto the road, completely blocking traffic from one direction until they finally get an opening the other way

[ADRsk8boarder]

being a vermonter i can tell you that we dont call them m******** because of they way they drive in mass. We call them m******** because they think they can bomb their big ass, obnoxious SUV's down vermont interstates, at 100 MPH in a ZERO visibility snowstorm. And they wonder why we point and laugh while they're being towed out of a ditch. Just cuz it cost 60,000 dollars and weighs 4 tons doesnt mean its an f'ng snowplow. :P

haha so true same **** happens here going up to tahoe

[ADRsk8boarder]

ohh damn 1000 posts

[Snowcat pat]

one of my personal favorites is when someone wants to make a left turn out of a parking lot or something so they just pull right out HALFWAY onto the road, completely blocking traffic from one direction until they finally get an opening the other way

Thats a technique I apply every time im driving, the more traffic the more often hahaha.

[forumrider9753]

I am a masshole.

[forumrider9753]

being a vermonter i can tell you that we dont call them m******** because of they way they drive in mass. We call them m******** because they think they can bomb their big ass, obnoxious SUV's down vermont interstates, at 100 MPH in a ZERO visibility snowstorm. And they wonder why we point and laugh while they're being towed out of a ditch. Just cuz it cost 60,000 dollars and weighs 4 tons doesnt mean its an f'ng snowplow. :P


We usually drive our escalade 100 MPH down NH roads, its WAY more fun. Ever here of the Kangamangus highway? Try that in a snowstorm....

[Skankinboy13]

mass drivers arent bad, being from vermont, i will say its the out of staters that don't have a ****ing clue how to get around in a city who's roads where thrown out on a planning board by jackson pollock and then the inbound/outbound signs that send you in the wrong direction from where you want to go (this is strictly eastern mass... i can deal with western mass just fine)... but the thing i learned about driving in mass, is you need to realize most people like their cars, because if you drive to cut people off, they will slowdown and let you in because they dont need an accident since mass. insurance already rapes you, from what i've heard.

[Snowcat pat]

^ Ive got a friend who could care less if we get in accidents , he makes money out of each one hahahah.

[ashleyistwisted]

I was just in Boston this pass weekend... Holy ****. Not as bad as NYC, but awfull nonetheless. People driving on the wrong side of the road, backed up lanes, crazy drivers.... such a headache.

thats why you park at one of the stations and take the T around boston

[forumrider9753]

Boston!!!!!!!!!!

[Skankinboy13]

thats why you park at one of the stations and take the T around boston

but when the t shuts down at 10 and your concert gets out at midnight and your car is in tewksbury... you're phucked.

[forumrider9753]

dude....the T go's till like 1 AM

[ashleyistwisted]

but when the t shuts down at 10 and your concert gets out at midnight and your car is in tewksbury... you're phucked.

i dont usually go to boston for concerts, its like 2 hours away from me (an hour from my house to riverside station a little over an hour from riverside to where all the lines meet)
i tend to go for the shopping...haha..wait dosent the T run later than 10?

[Skankinboy13]

really? i was looking last year and the schedule was till 10.. eitherthat or i'm dumb

[forumrider9753]

yeah, it gos later than 10.

[Snowcat pat]

The T is a big system, are we talking commuter rail, subway, or busses?

It goes later than 10, not all night though.

[forumrider9753]

no clue....commuter rail/subway i think is what they're refering to.

[snowboarding_bear]

theres a jump in my town and we were getting a ride home from this girl we know from stoneham and she ht the thing going 85, usually when you hit it you are going 30 and you catch some air because of the way it was built, but at 85 we just caught the biggest air over the thing. she cleared the landing by a few feet and everyone in the car smashed off of the inside roof(ceiling? idk anything about cars) her spedometer also got stuck at 85


thats freaking awesome...yeah my friends jumped thier h2 hummer...cracked the winshield...badly...lol...

[Burton Doom]

i dont think its us m******** that are the problem. Its everyone else that comes here and dont know what they are doing, driving 20 mph looking around like its some kind of tour when other people have somewhere be

what the **** are they lookin at?

[IRideASnowboard154]

... no its the m********, all tourists no not to drive, thats why the T is so damn crowded and I can never get a ****ing seat.

[forumrider9753]

its not crowded at midnight

[IRideASnowboard154]

yeah at midnight, latest ive taken it was 11 and their were kids like going to clubs crowding it, and I had to fit me, steveo and spam with our bikes in there too. **** the t. Its also crowded at 7 am when im going into the city.

[mr.steez]

basically every single person from new hampshire hate mass and almost everything about it : )

[mr.steez]

i remember when we jumped my friends moms expedition in the sand pit it was hallarious. the whole front end dug down.. and the alignment is history,,once you hit 50 it feels like the car is gonna shake apart

[jjse8]

wow why does everyone hate us m******** i mean come on were not all bad.

[Matt_VT]

I'm from Chicago but now live in Burlington, VT. I tell you what, too many defensive drivers is a recipe for disaster. All you morons stopping for pedestrians before they even get out in the street or waiting for someone to make a left turn across from you on a green light cause more confusion than anything. PEOPLE IN VT NEED TO LEARN HOW TO DRIVE. JUST GO DAMNIT!

[snowboardingiguana]

The T is a big system, are we talking commuter rail, subway, or busses?

It goes later than 10, not all night though.

i've taken the commuter rail and subway after 10. i'm not sure about the bus though. i've never actually taken the bus around boston. if i'm not on the subway, i walk.

[Gumby21]

i think theres usually a midnight commuter rail train out of the city...the T goes later than that, bet im not sure how much later. busses, i have no idea

[4shayz2lounge0crew]

i think theres usually a midnight commuter rail train out of the city...the T goes later than that, bet im not sure how much later. busses, i have no idea

that last run of the T is at 1230- so if you're outside the city (more than 5 stops from gov't center) plan on last run being 1215. busses run until 1am.

[cynicalRider]

My experience in mass from workin at the big E has never showed me aggressive drivers, only morons who cant drive. Im from jersey so i know aggressive drivin, its second nature. but one of thos m******** keyed my car. still really pissed about it.