Petition to take action in Darfur

[Snow Wolf]

Become involved....sign and pass on the petition to the administration to take action to stop the killing in Darfur.


http://www.savedarfur.org/home

[omoore61]

I think the better question is, why doesnt the UN get involved? Surely they are aware of this...what do you think about that?

[CustomRider13]

Isn't Sudan having a civil war? Iran and Iraq affect us and the world. The UN needs to get involved in these issues.

[omoore61]

I think the UN under Kofi Annon is reallt ball-less and it takes American leadership to push them to do anything. I think it is a noble cause and America should take a leadership role in putting an end to this sh!t.

Very true.

[ADRsk8boarder]

the u.s. is one of the five permant members of the 10 nation secruity council in the un so its a matter of not caring

[Corkscrewed]

Most of these African nations don't have the natual resources that America is looking for, therefore it's not "profitable" for us to help these people. Unfortunately, our current administration is only concerned with making their pockets fat, and not policing the world. Iraq=oil=$, Iran=oil=$, see where this is going?

[CustomRider13]

If you guys didn't know, Sudan is having a civil war and there is no consent from either parties of the war to allow the UN to step in for peace keeping. Now, wouldn't the US look stupid jumping into Sudan?
World Police? Get real. We don't need to police the world and it's not selfish of us if we don't get involved in a country that doesn't have much to offer us. Ask yourself, why should our soldiers die for another country's cause? Would you die for another man's cause? A man you're not even friend's with?

[Snow Wolf]

Oh, so it is perfectly alright for our soldiers and hundreds of thousands of iraqi civillians to die in Bush`s illegal, illegitimate, immoral unprovoked attack on the nation of Iraq and it`s people based on lies? There was no consent given by the U.N. or other parties regarding the invasion of Iraq either, but that did`nt stop "King Geoge" then. America looks really f*cking stupid right now to the world thanks to this dumb bastard already!
We took action in Kosovo at the request of the U.N. to stop ethnic cleansing in which we removed Slobadan Milosovic from his tyranical power and no US soldiers died due to hostile fire. President Clinton is the only U.S. President to recieve a standing ovation at the U.N. and America had a lot of respect and goodwill globally, all of which this utter fool has squandered. America has a long history of getting involved to offer aid, comfort and security around the world...look at the peace deal between Isreal and Egypyt that President Carter accomplished with Begin and Sadat at camp David...the SALT and START talks with the Soviet Union which Ronald Reagan continued. Diplomacy won the cold war and brought about Glastnost, not reckless military campaigns. Like it or not, we are a super power and when we have a rational leader, we do great good in the world....under this freak, we are doing great harm.
Actually, as a result of this petition, the administration did send an ambassador and the main rebel faction and the government did sign a tentative peace agreement and a cease-fire. When I originally posted this, I was asking for people who give a sh!t about this issue to sign and pass on the petition. It is really sad that American culture has devolved to such a state where the people think "getting involved" means military engagement......the U.S. can get involved in world affairs without the damn military once in awhile can`t it? We have great diplomats and can and should become involved with world affairs....this is a global age and xenophobic isolationism is not the answer. As Americans we need to be contacting our represtatives and Senators about issues. Posting an opinion on a forum is fine, but it is`nt the same as taking action on an issue. This petition got over 800,000 signatures and that put enough political pressure on the administration and congress to act...and it got results.....the two sides are now talking. Much more needs to be done, but it is a start.
You ask why our soldiers should die for another country`s cause.......I dunno ask the Brits, the French, the Jews and all of the other people in Europe who were liberated from Hitler by the allied forces in WWII.....I guess you would have stayed home then too because they really did`nt have anything of importannce to us....how unbelievably shallow and selfish......



__________________________________________________ ___________________________________________

Dear Scott,

Thanks to your efforts and the efforts of many others working to create a lasting peace in Darfur, I am pleased to report we have seen significant progress in recent weeks.

On May 5, the Sudanese government and Darfur’s largest rebel faction signed the Darfur Peace Agreement, laying out a plan to end three years of violence and raising hopes for a lasting peace in Darfur. There is a much more to do, however, before that hope is realized.

In the next two weeks, the Sudanese government and the two remaining rebel factions must come to terms in order to ensure a strong building block for a lasting peace. With or without additional signers, it is imperative that the parties live up to their commitments to end the genocide and rebuild Darfur.

Another significant step forward was taken just yesterday, as the UN Security Council unanimously passed a resolution demanding strict observance of the peace agreement, and calling for a quick transition from the current African Union peacekeeping force to a stronger UN force. Prior to the signing of the peace agreement, Sudanese President Bashir opposed a UN peacekeeping force in Darfur by saying that there was no peace to keep. With this peace agreement, however, that argument has been rendered moot.

Soon there will be a joint UN-African Union assessment mission dispatched to Darfur to assess the situation. Following their return, the stage will be set for UN Security Council consideration of a second resolution to actually authorize the deployment of a UN peacekeeping force.

These are real, substantive steps forward, and you helped make them happen.

In fact, just one day after over 50,000 rallied on the National Mall in Washington, DC, and thousands more rallied at events across the country, President Bush dispatched Deputy Secretary of State Robert Zoellick to the peace talks to make sure that an agreement was reached.

Upon his return, Deputy Secretary Zoellick personally called the Save Darfur Coalition to express his thanks for the level of U.S. activism which helped make the peace deal possible. In an interview last week, he said that “of all I've dealt with in foreign policy over some 20 years that I'm not sure I've ever seen as much broad support from churches, from communities and universities.”

Your collective voices have helped accomplish amazing results thus far!

But much more still remains to be done. Work at the UN is far from over, funding for humanitarian aid and peacekeeping falls short and puts millions of lives at risk. And above all, the people of Darfur still must contend with the dual threats of violence and starvation every day.

As we continue the fight, there will be many more opportunities for you take action and help make a difference.

Best regards,

David Rubenstein
Save Darfur Coalition


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[ADRsk8boarder]

to bad we could if we wanted to take advantage of nigera and its oil

[CustomRider13]

Oh, so it is perfectly alright for our soldiers and hundreds of thousands of iraqi civillians to die in Bush`s illegal, illegitimate, immoral unprovoked attack on the nation of Iraq and it`s people based on lies? There was no consent given by the U.N. or other parties regarding the invasion of Iraq either, but that did`nt stop "King Geoge" then. America looks really f*cking stupid right now to the world thanks to this dumb bastard already!
We took action in Kosovo at the request of the U.N. to stop ethnic cleansing in which we removed Slobadan Milosovic from his tyranical power and no US soldiers died due to hostile fire. President Clinton is the only U.S. President to recieve a standing ovation at the U.N. and America had a lot of respect and goodwill globally, all of which this utter fool has squandered. America has a long history of getting involved to offer aid, comfort and security around the world...look at the peace deal between Isreal and Egypyt that President Carter accomplished with Begin and Sadat at camp David...the SALT and START talks with the Soviet Union which Ronald Reagan continued. Diplomacy won the cold war and brought about Glastnost, not reckless military campaigns. Like it or not, we are a super power and when we have a rational leader, we do great good in the world....under this freak, we are doing great harm.
Actually, as a result of this petition, the administration did send an ambassador and the main rebel faction and the government did sign a tentative peace agreement and a cease-fire. When I originally posted this, I was asking for people who give a sh!t about this issue to sign and pass on the petition. It is really sad that American culture has devolved to such a state where the people think "getting involved" means military engagement......the U.S. can get involved in world affairs without the damn military once in awhile can`t it? We have great diplomats and can and should become involved with world affairs....this is a global age and xenophobic isolationism is not the answer. As Americans we need to be contacting our represtatives and Senators about issues. Posting an opinion on a forum is fine, but it is`nt the same as taking action on an issue. This petition got over 800,000 signatures and that put enough political pressure on the administration and congress to act...and it got results.....the two sides are now talking. Much more needs to be done, but it is a start.
You ask why our soldiers should die for another country`s cause.......I dunno ask the Brits, the French, the Jews and all of the other people in Europe who were liberated from Hitler by the allied forces in WWII.....I guess you would have stayed home then too because they really did`nt have anything of importannce to us....how unbelievably shallow and selfish......



__________________________________________________ ___________________________________________

Dear Scott,

Thanks to your efforts and the efforts of many others working to create a lasting peace in Darfur, I am pleased to report we have seen significant progress in recent weeks.

On May 5, the Sudanese government and Darfur’s largest rebel faction signed the Darfur Peace Agreement, laying out a plan to end three years of violence and raising hopes for a lasting peace in Darfur. There is a much more to do, however, before that hope is realized.

In the next two weeks, the Sudanese government and the two remaining rebel factions must come to terms in order to ensure a strong building block for a lasting peace. With or without additional signers, it is imperative that the parties live up to their commitments to end the genocide and rebuild Darfur.

Another significant step forward was taken just yesterday, as the UN Security Council unanimously passed a resolution demanding strict observance of the peace agreement, and calling for a quick transition from the current African Union peacekeeping force to a stronger UN force. Prior to the signing of the peace agreement, Sudanese President Bashir opposed a UN peacekeeping force in Darfur by saying that there was no peace to keep. With this peace agreement, however, that argument has been rendered moot.

Soon there will be a joint UN-African Union assessment mission dispatched to Darfur to assess the situation. Following their return, the stage will be set for UN Security Council consideration of a second resolution to actually authorize the deployment of a UN peacekeeping force.

These are real, substantive steps forward, and you helped make them happen.

In fact, just one day after over 50,000 rallied on the National Mall in Washington, DC, and thousands more rallied at events across the country, President Bush dispatched Deputy Secretary of State Robert Zoellick to the peace talks to make sure that an agreement was reached.

Upon his return, Deputy Secretary Zoellick personally called the Save Darfur Coalition to express his thanks for the level of U.S. activism which helped make the peace deal possible. In an interview last week, he said that “of all I've dealt with in foreign policy over some 20 years that I'm not sure I've ever seen as much broad support from churches, from communities and universities.”

Your collective voices have helped accomplish amazing results thus far!

But much more still remains to be done. Work at the UN is far from over, funding for humanitarian aid and peacekeeping falls short and puts millions of lives at risk. And above all, the people of Darfur still must contend with the dual threats of violence and starvation every day.

As we continue the fight, there will be many more opportunities for you take action and help make a difference.

Best regards,

David Rubenstein
Save Darfur Coalition


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why should we get involved in Darfur when they don't even want the UN involved? Should we enter and make a fool out of ourselves and make more enemies? It's a civil war, let them fight it out. You don't get yourself involved in a fight when you have nothing to do with it.

[CustomRider13]

Snow Wolf, we are involved in Darfur. The only thing we are not doing is sending our military in. So what kind of involvement are you talking about?

[CustomRider13]

You ask why our soldiers should die for another country`s cause.......I dunno ask the Brits, the French, the Jews and all of the other people in Europe who were liberated from Hitler by the allied forces in WWII.....I guess you would have stayed home then too because they really did`nt have anything of importannce to us....how unbelievably shallow and selfish......
The US said that they were not going to be involved in the beginning but we got bombed by the Japanese. Would that be important enough to get involved? If not, how about Hitler taking over the world?

[Snow Wolf]

Oh f*ck it ....you win...I am just a stupid dumbass who does`nt know a f*cking thing

[CustomRider13]

did you f*cking read my post? did you even f*cking see that thanks to taking action, we put enough pressure on the adminstration to send an ambassador? I posted the letter as a f*cking follow up to show that we had an effect but all you want to do is argue....and do you really think we are`nt making enemies in Iraq???
Seriously, you need to calm down because this is just a debate on a forum. Nothing to get angry about.
About my post, let me give you a reason why I said that. I didn't have time to read the letter part so I just responded to what you wrote because that's what you've been arguing until then. I made a mistake buy responding without reading the whole post but there's no reason for you to be aggravated or use profanity over something like that. I'm very surprised about your reaction. It seems as if this isn't the only thing that's bothered you and I'm gonna guess that there were other things that escaladed into this. Are you angry that I haven't been agreeing with you much? I don't agree with alot of the stuff you have said or believe, is that my fault? You're very extreme to one side and your "facts" seem totally biased and I don't agree with it. What do you want me to do? Just not say anything or just agree with you? I'm not on these threads to just read your post or just agree with you. This is a forum and I'm voicing my opinion and stating facts. With that given, my intentions are not to argue just to argue. So, don't give me that crap.

[CustomRider13]

Oh f*ck it ....you win...I am just a stupid dumbass who does`nt know a f*cking thing
Snow Wolf, are you serious? The US was involved in WWII because it was a "World War" and we also got bombed by Japan. Am I wrong about that? I'm not trying to argue just to argue. In a communist dream world, yes it would be nice for us to provide peace to countries around the world. A Utopia. But realistically, we can't just do that. There are many things that factor into our decisions. Look at all the wars that the US was involved in. They all benefitted us somehow or else we wouldn't be in there. It's the sad truth but what can you do about it.

[CustomRider13]

Become involved....sign and pass on the petition to the administration to take action to stop the killing in Darfur.


http://www.savedarfur.org/home

i am writing thru customrider's id but i am a friend of his..

first of all, are we talking about the civil war currently taking place in SUDAN or the "ethnic cleansing" taking place in DARFOUR?? they are two seperate issues.. the US nor the UN will get involved in the civil war currently taking place, but the UN and the US is providing aid to the refugees currently victim to the ethnic cleansing taking place. the president publicily announced his disapproval and willingness to stand against this act of human violation. in fact COLIN POWELL was sent to darfour back couple years to investigate this issue.. the ethnic cleansing.. NOT the civil war.. the UN in fact was sent in to DARFOUR to investigate whether genocide/ethnic cleansing was taking place.. the UN concluded that the legal definition of genocide does not apply in this case due to the fact that genocide is defined using necessary elements that does not apply in this case.. the definition used required government sanction of genocide.. the UN concluded that there is no conclusive evidence linking the "militia" (muslim killing party) direcly to the Sudanese government. providing proof in the legal sense is very complicated and differs greatly from proving proof in a non-legalistic fashion. this is main reason why the US nor the UN can approve sending troops into DARFOUR.

[CustomRider13]

You ask why our soldiers should die for another country`s cause.......I dunno ask the Brits, the French, the Jews and all of the other people in Europe who were liberated from Hitler by the allied forces in WWII.....I guess you would have stayed home then too because they really did`nt have anything of importannce to us....how unbelievably shallow and selfish......


again.. custom board rider's friend

are you seriously comparing DARFOUR to WWII ?? because there is no logical or reasonable connection between the two seperate events. America was under isolationist policy until the pearl harbor attack and the only reason we sent troops into europe was because we feared the spread of communism into america. attack on pearl harbor was a sign to americans that communism was not too far from home. it was important to us only after this red scare..

if you feel that the us should be involved in places where people need liberation why do oppse the war in iraq?? regardless of the reasons for entrance, we did liberate the KURDS who had been suffering UN declared genocide for decades and also the victims of the sunni/shiite civil wars.. so by your definitions of being unselfish, the us presence in iraq is something to be commended for. you also stated that the un doesnt care for darfour but that it shouldnt stop the us from aiding victims of darfour.. but in the same breath you also stated that because the un opposes us' entrance into iraq, the us shouldnt be in there.. that is a contradiction of reasoning.. is it not??

[CustomRider13]

WHO SAID THE US WASNT DOING ANYTHING FOR DARFOUR?? these two quotes came directly from the site snowwolf supplied at the beginning of this thread. outside of sending our troops out there.. we have done quite a bit to help the situation.

"Fiscal Year 2006 Emergency Supplemental Funding Request
On February 16, 2006, President Bush sent to Congress a supplemental funding request for $514 million dollars for humanitarian and peacekeeping programs in Sudan, including $123 million for Darfur peacekeeping. The House of Represenattives has passed an amendment offered by Rep. Mike Capuano which added $50 million for Darfur peacekeeping. The Senate Appropriations Committee then passed an amendment offered by Senators Durbin and Leahy which added $50 million to the Senate version as well. The full Senate will consider the legislation in late April, but it now seems likely that a total of $173 million for Darfur peacekeeping will be included in the overall bill. It is vitally important that Congress maintain this number in the upcoming conference, and that it be passed as soon as possible."

Darfur Peace and Accountability Act (US LEGISLATION)


"The Darfur Peace and Accountability Act (H.R. 3127 in the House, S. 1462 in the Senate) took a big step forward on November 18, 2005 when the Senate passed S. 1462. It took another great step forward when it was passed by the House of Representatives on April 5 by a vote of 416-3. The stage is now set for a likely conference between the House and Senate to reconcile the minor differences between their two passed versions. The bill has drawn a significant number of bipartisan cosponsors in both the House and Senate, and it is of vital importance that Congress pass this legislation as soon as possible."


S. Res. 383 - A Sense of the Senate resolution urging stronger peacekeeping mission

"Senate Foreign Relations Committee Ranking Member Senator Joseph Biden (D-DE) and Senator Sam Brownback (R-KS) introduced S. Res. 383 on Feb. 17, a resolution calling for significant NATO assistance to the AU peacekeeping force in Darfur, including the enforcement of a no-fly zone for Darfur, and for a quick transition to a capable UN peacekeeping force with a sufficient complement of troops and a Chapter 7 “peace enforcement” mandate to protect civilians.
Passed March 2, 2006 in Senate by unanimous consent"

there are numerous other legistlations passed in the us concerning darfour, over a billion spent to aid victims. us declared the genocide back in sept of 2004.. which actually before we as citizens even knew about darfour.. our government established funding passed by the congress before most of us even heard of darfour.. i dont see how anyone can say the us doesnt care or didnt care..

go to http://www.savedarfur.org/situation/uslegislation for further education on the matter.. there are also un resolutions posted on the same site.

[Snow Wolf]

JEsus f*cking Christ.....all I did was post a God Damn petition for those who wanted to sign to put pressure on our government to use it`s diplomatic abilities to try to get the waring parties to come to the table and talk. We have done this many times, like a mentioned the Camp David Accords between Isreal and Egypt. If there is a peace treaty and they REQUEST UN peace keepers, I think we should send some....we have a history of doing this. As far as Iraq...we are not liberating anyone from anything....this f*cking war is all about Halliburton and KBR making a profit.....after 3 years the Iraqui people still only get about 2 hours of electricity a day and we are not rebuilding anything other than the largest US embassy in history along with 14 permanent military bases..I have a friend who is in Iraq driving truck for KBR and we talk on the phone weekly and he is seeing this sh!t with his own eyes. Hell they wont even hire Iraqi people to do construction work because they are getting cheap labour from Bangladesh and other places....we wont even give the people we "liberated" a f*cking job!!!!This has NOTHING to do with helping the Iraqi people.....its all about profit to benefit a private corporation......America does`nt give a flying f*ck about those people.....we used White phospherous, Napalm, Depleted Uranium and other WMD`s on civilian targets. ..My oposition to Iraq and an Iran conflict is it was a war of choice based on lies. We could have let the weapons inspectors continue their work...we could have taken Sadam out by covert means if it was that neccessary, we did`nt have to totally defstoy a nations infrastructure which by the way is defines as a war crime under charter....deliberately destroying civilian infrastructure like hospitals, water plants, power generation plants etc....go read the UN charter on such things......without regard to that, from a strategic standpoint, this administration bungled it badly....they did`nt send in the troops that all the top brass told them we would need...and they still don`t understand terrorism....right or wrong in your eyes, those people in Iraq who are suffering as a direct result of this war will blame America and this hatred will fester for generations.......if you really want to f*ck the world up go ahead and attack Iran....every middle East scholar will tell you that NOTHING will create more solidarity in the Islamic world than attacking an Islamic Republic.......we are creating more terrorists every day than we will ever be able to get rid of.
On WWII...get real.....I made an analogy to WWII to make the point that we learned then an isolationist attitude wont work in a global age.....and you have your timeline a little f*cked up....We were sitting it out due to that isolationist policy, but when Japan attacked us, we were then at war with Hitler as well due to the alliance between Germany and Japan. There were many many voices urging America to become involved in stopping the ethnic cleansing of the Jews then too. In WWII we were allies with the Soviet Union and Stallin.....we were fighting the spread of Fascism accross Europe not Communism....do you even know the difference between the two?? The Fascists under Hitler invaded the Soviet Union and the Communists were instrumental in the allied forces defeating Hitler...they held them on the Russian Front and inflicted heavy casualties upon them.....Our irrational fear of Communism did`nt begin untill the close of WWII when McArthur proposed marching across Russia too which staterd the Cold War.
As far as the argument goes.....I dont expect you to agree all the time, but you kept posting the same thing over and over without adressing the issues I was bringing up....it was`nt a debate....you just said the same thing over and over and it pissed me off you did`nt bother to read my points, then adress them in a true discussion....Quite frankly, I am sick of this discussion and feel no need to continue it further......my position is unchanged and the main point I was trying to make was to A) look at the petition and if you agree, sign it and pass it on or if not ignore it. B) show by follow up what it has accomplished so far......I was just trying to pass on news and ways people can become involved if they choose...for that I get drug into a big f*cking debate over it....dont, worry, I wont be posting anymore news articles...besides nobody f*cking reads my posts anyway.

[Snow Wolf]

WHO SAID THE US WASNT DOING ANYTHING FOR DARFOUR?? these two quotes came directly from the site snowwolf supplied at the beginning of this thread. outside of sending our troops out there.. we have done quite a bit to help the situation.

"Fiscal Year 2006 Emergency Supplemental Funding Request
On February 16, 2006, President Bush sent to Congress a supplemental funding request for $514 million dollars for humanitarian and peacekeeping programs in Sudan, including $123 million for Darfur peacekeeping. The House of Represenattives has passed an amendment offered by Rep. Mike Capuano which added $50 million for Darfur peacekeeping. The Senate Appropriations Committee then passed an amendment offered by Senators Durbin and Leahy which added $50 million to the Senate version as well. The full Senate will consider the legislation in late April, but it now seems likely that a total of $173 million for Darfur peacekeeping will be included in the overall bill. It is vitally important that Congress maintain this number in the upcoming conference, and that it be passed as soon as possible."

Darfur Peace and Accountability Act (US LEGISLATION)


"The Darfur Peace and Accountability Act (H.R. 3127 in the House, S. 1462 in the Senate) took a big step forward on November 18, 2005 when the Senate passed S. 1462. It took another great step forward when it was passed by the House of Representatives on April 5 by a vote of 416-3. The stage is now set for a likely conference between the House and Senate to reconcile the minor differences between their two passed versions. The bill has drawn a significant number of bipartisan cosponsors in both the House and Senate, and it is of vital importance that Congress pass this legislation as soon as possible."


S. Res. 383 - A Sense of the Senate resolution urging stronger peacekeeping mission

"Senate Foreign Relations Committee Ranking Member Senator Joseph Biden (D-DE) and Senator Sam Brownback (R-KS) introduced S. Res. 383 on Feb. 17, a resolution calling for significant NATO assistance to the AU peacekeeping force in Darfur, including the enforcement of a no-fly zone for Darfur, and for a quick transition to a capable UN peacekeeping force with a sufficient complement of troops and a Chapter 7 “peace enforcement” mandate to protect civilians.
Passed March 2, 2006 in Senate by unanimous consent"

there are numerous other legistlations passed in the us concerning darfour, over a billion spent to aid victims. us declared the genocide back in sept of 2004.. which actually before we as citizens even knew about darfour.. our government established funding passed by the congress before most of us even heard of darfour.. i dont see how anyone can say the us doesnt care or didnt care..

go to http://www.savedarfur.org/situation/uslegislation for further education on the matter.. there are also un resolutions posted on the same site.

Oh you FINALLY got around to actually reading what I posted.....WOW!!!!


Again.....that was the whole f*cking point......I was posting INFORMATION for those who wanted to know more......it is through actions of people like myself who have voiced to our representatives and senators our desire to get involved that it has happened........WHY DONT YOU GET THAT ALL I DID WAS PROVIDE INFORMATION.....SOMETHING I WONT EVER F*CKING DO ON THIS GOD DAMN SITE EVER AGAIN!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

[CustomRider13]

I did read parts of the link but it doesn't seem like you read your own link. It's odvious by reading your posts. I also want to point out that, you did post a little more then that link with information but later on edited your posts so that it only shows the link. I didn't respond to the link, I responded to what you said.

[CustomRider13]

JEsus f*cking Christ.....all I did was post a God Damn petition for those who wanted to sign to put pressure on our government to use it`s diplomatic abilities to try to get the waring parties to come to the table and talk. We have done this many times, like a mentioned the Camp David Accords between Isreal and Egypt. If there is a peace treaty and they REQUEST UN peace keepers, I think we should send some....we have a history of doing this. As far as Iraq...we are not liberating anyone from anything....this f*cking war is all about Halliburton and KBR making a profit.....after 3 years the Iraqui people still only get about 2 hours of electricity a day and we are not rebuilding anything other than the largest US embassy in history along with 14 permanent military bases..I have a friend who is in Iraq driving truck for KBR and we talk on the phone weekly and he is seeing this sh!t with his own eyes. Hell they wont even hire Iraqi people to do construction work because they are getting cheap labour from Bangladesh and other places....we wont even give the people we "liberated" a f*cking job!!!!This has NOTHING to do with helping the Iraqi people.....its all about profit to benefit a private corporation......America does`nt give a flying f*ck about those people.....we used White phospherous, Napalm, Depleted Uranium and other WMD`s on civilian targets. ..My oposition to Iraq and an Iran conflict is it was a war of choice based on lies. We could have let the weapons inspectors continue their work...we could have taken Sadam out by covert means if it was that neccessary, we did`nt have to totally defstoy a nations infrastructure which by the way is defines as a war crime under charter....deliberately destroying civilian infrastructure like hospitals, water plants, power generation plants etc....go read the UN charter on such things......without regard to that, from a strategic standpoint, this administration bungled it badly....they did`nt send in the troops that all the top brass told them we would need...and they still don`t understand terrorism....right or wrong in your eyes, those people in Iraq who are suffering as a direct result of this war will blame America and this hatred will fester for generations.......if you really want to f*ck the world up go ahead and attack Iran....every middle East scholar will tell you that NOTHING will create more solidarity in the Islamic world than attacking an Islamic Republic.......we are creating more terrorists every day than we will ever be able to get rid of.
On WWII...get real.....I made an analogy to WWII to make the point that we learned then an isolationist attitude wont work in a global age.....and you have your timeline a little f*cked up....We were sitting it out due to that isolationist policy, but when Japan attacked us, we were then at war with Hitler as well due to the alliance between Germany and Japan. There were many many voices urging America to become involved in stopping the ethnic cleansing of the Jews then too. In WWII we were allies with the Soviet Union and Stallin.....we were fighting the spread of Fascism accross Europe not Communism....do you even know the difference between the two?? The Fascists under Hitler invaded the Soviet Union and the Communists were instrumental in the allied forces defeating Hitler...they held them on the Russian Front and inflicted heavy casualties upon them.....Our irrational fear of Communism did`nt begin untill the close of WWII when McArthur proposed marching across Russia too which staterd the Cold War.
As far as the argument goes.....I dont expect you to agree all the time, but you kept posting the same thing over and over without adressing the issues I was bringing up....it was`nt a debate....you just said the same thing over and over and it pissed me off you did`nt bother to read my points, then adress them in a true discussion....Quite frankly, I am sick of this discussion and feel no need to continue it further......my position is unchanged and the main point I was trying to make was to A) look at the petition and if you agree, sign it and pass it on or if not ignore it. B) show by follow up what it has accomplished so far......I was just trying to pass on news and ways people can become involved if they choose...for that I get drug into a big f*cking debate over it....dont, worry, I wont be posting anymore news articles...besides nobody f*cking reads my posts anyway.

FRIEND TO CUSTOM..

if you truly believe that the american public believed there was a difference between fascism and communism in 1945, you are sadly mistaken.. i was talking within context of the war.. hitler was comiting atrocities long before the pearl harbor attack but the us didnt do anything to save the jews until it was apparent that the "communist" had the capability to hit home.. if we want to talk about history, lets please stay within context of the events in question..

the civil war currently taking place has nothing to do with that website by the way.. the site talks about the "genocide" taking place and the mass targeted rape by the janjaweek militia.. are you saying we should get involved in the civil war?? i think that america has learned from past histories involving civil wars in others countries.. which civil war has the us helped to negotiate terms?? i know we tried with vietnam and that as we all know turned out very very bad.. (understatement)

on the issue of iraq.. lets not take a particular and use it to generalize.. first of all it is a fallacy and second of all.. iraq-the non-terrorist iraq does want the us troops to be there.. how do i know this you ask?? i was there for a month and have many friends that are currently stationed there.. the media is a brain washing tool that makes money off of our fears.. BAD NEWS SELLS.. your right iraq is a war.. and in war, innocent casuality happens.. thats something no one can avoid.. the terrorists in iraq have actually killed more civilians than the us troops by the way.. and guess what they are the bad guys by the way.. moving on.. i do agree that i dont think that much can be done for a country where an entire history demonstrates that a war can not be won easily.. but we are trying.. we are training the iraqi police and army force.. and already began our phasing out.. when your a soldier who has seen images that never make it into the 9 o clock news.. it changes things.. perspective is a very powerful picture.. so yes have your opinions but do not try to present them as facts..

when i mentioned a coutner to your statements.. please note i actually used your own statements and materials you presented.. you might want to read the web site you encouraged others to look at.. i think you might have overlooked couple of things there.. and no hard feelings.. i think that open debate and forums like this is great tool to advance knowledge and challenge the mind.. its education whether we agree or agree to disagree.

[ADRsk8boarder]

haha this is ****in hilarious

[gtarman77787]

i REALLY REALLLY need to catch up on my current events
anyone wanna like..give me a summary of whats going on here?
im really out of the loop

[Snow Wolf]

FRIEND TO CUSTOM..

if you truly believe that the american public believed there was a difference between fascism and communism in 1945, you are sadly mistaken.. i was talking within context of the war.. hitler was comiting atrocities long before the pearl harbor attack but the us didnt do anything to save the jews until it was apparent that the "communist" had the capability to hit home.. if we want to talk about history, lets please stay within context of the events in question..

Sorry you are dead wrong here.........Communism was not even on the radar in WWII....do you forget that the Soviet Union was our ally in WWII? You are correct ONLY in that America did nothing as Hitler persecuted the Jews....we should have done more earlier to stop that do you disagree? if Not, then why do you want to ignore ethnic cleansing again...and yes I mean the Genocide, but the genocide and the civil war are intertwined so it is nearly impossible to address one without addressing the other....wish it was`nt so, but that`s the sad facts. Had I been around then, I would have been saying the same thing about needing to stop the genocide as I am now. With regard to your error on the events in Europe and Communism....Hitler was fighting the Communists long before we became involved....he invaded Poland and the Ukraine.....the Nazis murdered thousands of Ukrainians in much the same way as he murdered Jews. Hitlers Nazi forces besieged St. Petersburg in Russia. In Russia the victory over the Nazi`s is still celebrated as the "Great Patriotic War". Hitler blamed the burning of the Reichstag on the Communists after his Nazis did it so he could convince the German parliment and President Hindenburg to pass the Enabling Act of 1933 which gave Hitler dictatorial power in Germany. We finally got off our collective asses when Japan attacked and I am sorry, Japan was not Communist so again it was`nt a so called wake up call to America of the treat of Communism. America did not percieve a threat from Communism untill our relations with the Soviets went to hell and they gained nuclear capability long after we did. The first war or "Police Action" as a direct result of the Macarthy era frenzy over Communism was Korea; several years after the end of WWII. I am in context...you are in gross error!
Also, you need to know....I am a Communist.....a card carrying member of the CPUSA.... www.cpusa.org (http://www.cpusa.org) and I am here to tell you that Communism and Fascism could`nt be further apart in philosophy. That is not to say that evil men like Stallin and the current leaders of so called Communist countries did`nt bastardize true Communism as Marx and Engells envisioned in the Manifesto. All those nations betrayed the ideals of Communism. True Communism can ONLY work in a democracy.


the civil war currently taking place has nothing to do with that website by the way.. the site talks about the "genocide" taking place and the mass targeted rape by the janjaweek militia.. are you saying we should get involved in the civil war?? i think that america has learned from past histories involving civil wars in others countries.. which civil war has the us helped to negotiate terms?? i know we tried with vietnam and that as we all know turned out very very bad.. (understatement)

of course I am talking about the genocide....I have tried to make that abundantly clear over and over again.....but the two are intertwined in such a way that to deal with one, you have to deal to some extent with the other. Again...I have stated my case on this issue very clearly and will not change. Again, if you have a problem with what is on savedarfur.org....take it up with them, not me; I did`nt write what`s on that site....I passed the info so you all can decide for yourself!

on the issue of iraq.. lets not take a particular and use it to generalize.. first of all it is a fallacy and second of all.. iraq-the non-terrorist iraq does want the us troops to be there.. how do i know this you ask?? i was there for a month and have many friends that are currently stationed there.. the media is a brain washing tool that makes money off of our fears.. BAD NEWS SELLS.. your right iraq is a war.. and in war, innocent casuality happens.. thats something no one can avoid.. the terrorists in iraq have actually killed more civilians than the us troops by the way.. and guess what they are the bad guys by the way.. moving on.. i do agree that i dont think that much can be done for a country where an entire history demonstrates that a war can not be won easily.. but we are trying.. we are training the iraqi police and army force.. and already began our phasing out.. when your a soldier who has seen images that never make it into the 9 o clock news.. it changes things.. perspective is a very powerful picture.. so yes have your opinions but do not try to present them as facts..

Why should anyone take your "facts" any more seriously than my "facts"? I have friends there both in a civillian role and in the Army and my Army friends` reports contradict with what you are saying about conditions there and their reports agree with every other independent media source not controlled by American corporations..I do not listen to the "media" because you are right it is all propaganda, but not in the direction you claim. I listen to foreign media both online and on shortwave radio. I also read independent journalism from sources within Iraq, one of which is this:
http://dahrjamailiraq.com/index.php (http://dahrjamailiraq.com/index.php)
We ARE doing tremendous harm to those people and our air attacks have killed hundreds of times more innocent civilians than the insurgents.
On the issue you brought up about a war not being won easily........for the sake of this argument, let`s pretend I agree with you that we had to go into Iraq and do this......are you really going to try to defend this adminstrations handling of the war with a straight face????/ Again, let us pretend I support this......all military planners told Rumsfeld he would need minimum 380,000 troops to secure Iraq after Sadam`s fall....he would`nt listen and sent about 150,000. Collin Powell told Bush he was opening the gate to hell.....Bush senior advised against it. The reason that there are now terrorists in iraq is because we failed to secure the country after we occupied it. The insurgency is another factor apart from foreign terrorists as well....most of these insurgents are Iraqi people who are pissed at their plight as a result of America and want us out. Now we have the begining stages of a civil war on our hands to deal with and do not believe for a minute this new government that is set up will change a thing....I hope I am wrong but I don`t see it changing a thing. Also, how can anyone say this administration is supporting out troops when they wont supply them with proper body armor, vehicle armor and in some cases ammunition? Even a staunch supporter of this war has got to admit these dildos and specifically Rumsfeld have seriously botched the war management.

when i mentioned a coutner to your statements.. please note i actually used your own statements and materials you presented.. you might want to read the web site you encouraged others to look at.. i think you might have overlooked couple of things there.. and no hard feelings.. i think that open debate and forums like this is great tool to advance knowledge and challenge the mind.. its education whether we agree or agree to disagree.
Again, I merely brought the article to everyone`s attention to decide for themselves, and yes I do read everything I decide to pass on....I find myself repeating this a lot in the thread, but I did not write the article....if you got a problem with their viewpoint, take it up with them, not me.....I happen to agree with their viewpoint and I disagree with yours....nothing you say will change my opinion just as i wont change yours

And just so everybody gets a sample of what our soldiers get to see over there....here you go...I hope you like what you see, because it makes me want to weep becuase it did`nt have to come to this...we had plenty of other options but the murdering bastards in the Bush administration coming out of "The Project For A New American Century" have been salivating since the mid 1990`s to do this.

http://www.intergate.com/~cccp/war/death.jpg


http://dahrjamailiraq.com/gallery/
I bet you did`nt see that on this "liberal" media that just picks on "poor old George Bush"

[SpottyFish]

i REALLY REALLLY need to catch up on my current events
anyone wanna like..give me a summary of whats going on here?
im really out of the loop

Uhhh...a bunch of swearing and arguing

[CustomRider13]

Again, I merely brought the article to everyone`s attention to decide for themselves, and yes I do read everything I decide to pass on....I find myself repeating this a lot in the thread, but I did not write the article....if you got a problem with their viewpoint, take it up with them, not me.....I happen to agree with their viewpoint and I disagree with yours....nothing you say will change my opinion just as i wont change yours

And just so everybody gets a sample of what our soldiers get to see over there....here you go...I hope you like what you see, because it makes me want to weep becuase it did`nt have to come to this...we had plenty of other options but the murdering bastards in the Bush administration coming out of "The Project For A New American Century" have been salivating since the mid 1990`s to do this.

http://www.intergate.com/~cccp/war/death.jpg


http://dahrjamailiraq.com/gallery/
I bet you did`nt see that on this "liberal" media that just picks on "poor old George Bush"
Well Snow Wolf, I guess my War History major friend from USC who is a war veteran doesn't know her history or anything about the wars in the middle east. Maybe that's why she only got a 3.9 gpa and a bronze star medal.

[Snow Wolf]

Well, there are a lot more Iraq war veterans who contradict what she is saying about what we are doing over there and I will trust first hand information over hers anyway. But as a veteran myself, I respect and thank her for her service!
Not attacking her intelect or character, but she is wrong about WWII with regard to Communism....and again, I stand by my opinion with regard to the total wrongness of what America is doing in Iraq and the real motives....the culprits of this are not secretive about their ambitions....its all spelled out...all you got to do is go to "The Project For A New American Century" and read their writings....its all laid out in black and white....this is all about empire building and control of natural resources.

http://www.newamericancentury.org/

[CustomRider13]

[quote=Snow Wolf]They were allies with the Germans in the beginning, did you forget that? They weren't "really" our allies. We only used them so that we could spare our troops. our relationship with the soviet union was pretty fake.. we turned around and stabbed them as soon as the war was over.. so you cant really use that as a FACT to prove anything. another thing i mentioned was CONTEXT.. if you read history backwards then you are not staying within context and therefore reading history backwards.. that is laughed at in history classes and never regarded as anything resembling the facts.. communism was always a concern for the us as imperialism and monarchy came too close to resembling communism.. as poor workers became all the more impoverished, many communist parties began popping up all over the 3rd world countries and even in some of the first world countries.. if we talk within context, the us society really didnt distinguish the difference between communism and fascism.. it was pretty much all the same to that society.. we went into WWII because pearl harbor made us realize that we werent so safe even with oceans between us and them.. we saw hitler expanding.. and japan expanding.. we even saw soviet union expanding.. but we chose the lesser of the two evils when we sided with the soviet union.. but dont be misled, we NEVER trusted or like the soviet union.. we knew and feared communism even before the end of WWII.. this is one of the reasons why policies of containment were already in effect as the war was coming to a close..

i wish you would read what i wrote and not go off on such odd tangents.. i never said we should ignore them.. i stated that the us IS doing something about it.. but if your stating we should send troops in to stop a civil war then.. you shouldnt object to the war in iraq.. you cant agree with one and disagree with the other.. since when do you have the knowledge and authority to state where america should send troops to and not?? this is what i dislike about disgruntled citizens of this country.. they all sit there and state their opinions and criticize the government yet.. over half of them dont even vote.. or join the army.. or provide civic duty.. or add anything to their government.. read your own website.. it says that the us IS and HAS been involved with humanitarian aid and condemning genocide.. but we cant go into a country and take over their civil war.. if thats what your suggesting then you should never object to america going into any country.. especially iraq.. a country that has always been engaged in one civil war or another under the guise of religion..

how do you propose to stop the civil war?? should we go in there and FORCE them to play nice?? reality please..

for your information.. hitler wasnt fighting the communists.. he was just trying to take over the world.. haha.. no seriosuly thats staying in context.. he didnt target the communists to fight with.. he actually just fought anyone standing in his way.. and context means what people percieved back then and not what you think people back then percieved.. because if you went to the society of WWII and COLD WAR.. and asked them what fascism was they would be blank.. if you asked them what communism meant.. they would definitely tell you they were the bad guys.. sneaky and untrustworthy.. you can also tell of this context by viewing some of the movies of the silent era about communism.. never about fascism.. another thing this proves is that many people within that society saw fascism and communism as virtually the same things.. on the topic of japan.. they were imperialists and the dominant power in asia.. the japanese were also allies to the germans.. which also very much linked them to communism/fascism in the minds of americans.. the us feared their expansion only when pearl harbor was hit.. it proved that we couldnt be isolated from "them"

i know there is a difference between the two.. but people of that era DID NOT.. i am NOT a communist.. but i do feel that it is a great vision that will never come true.. i admire aspects of communism.. i have read the manifesto myself.. and while i wish that the world could operate in such a beautiful fashion.. i also know its the most unrealistic system that could ever occur.. its a UTOPIA.. human greed would never allow that to pass.. i dont care if your a card carrier.. i never attacked you as a person.. its just a debate.. i never even attacked communism.. so i dont see why you are taking it so peraonally.

i dont agree with genocide but i dont believe we should get involved with other people's civil wars either.. its not our business to be honest.. now if the government was directly linked to causing genocide like hitler and saddam both have.. thats a different story.. in darfour, there is genocide but the civil war diverts attention from the genocide yes.. it gives the janjaweed an ooportunity to get away with their crimes against humanity.. but.. the civil war south of darfour.. i think its south.. really is none of our business.. i dont have a problem with the web site.. but you stated that the us is doing nothing for darfour but your website said that we are.. so confusion expressed.

i dont believe that any media is completely objective and thus do not pollute or present facts.. thats impossible to do.. and yes there are two sides to every story.. some soldiers see only the negative and others see positives and so forth.. so i guess you really cant say one or the other without actually having been there and seeing things for yourself and then deciding.. right?? well ive been there.. and thats just my perspective.. and what you said was your friend's perspective.. dont make it your own.. thats very ignorant.. its like saying chocolate cake tastes like crap because when my friend ate it thats how it tasted..

grow up.. thats the nature of war.. there are casualties.. its just the way it goes.. there has never been a war where cvivilians werent killed.. if your claiming that we are doing it on purpose thats another issue but to ask for a war without civilian casulaties would be like saying communism is possible outside of theory/philosophy.

first of all lets not place all the blaime on the admin.. come on.. it was all of us who dropped the ball.. the citizens to congress to admins.. we all failed the system.. we live in a nation where balance of power serves as the emblem.. so lets not try to point fingers here.. we voted him in office TWICE.. we didnt protest when the supreme court justices announced they would break the "tie" WE ALL LET IT PLAY OUT.. no one said WAIT A MINUTE HERE.. we all just let ourselves be led like sheep.. we passed the buck.. we voted all the congressmen into their offices.. we allowed repubs to run the country.. which should never even happen.. i feel that we must keep the integrity of diversity.. cant have both admin and congress and supreme court be all democrat or republican or any one single party.. but it is.. and we allowed it.. so lie in our beds we are.. i do recognize that the reasons for going into the war was wrong.. but i do not believe that the conduct of the few on the battle grounds accurately reflect the actions of the general.. just like in vietnam, actions of the few are never reality of the mass.. yes we make mistakes in war.. by accidently blowing up the wrong targets.. but they are not activiely and purposely sought.. there is a HUGE difference..

i agree with the fact that more than 150,000 is needed but to be perfectly honest with you.. i doubt we could even do it with a million.. honestly.. if you study the history of iraq.. its just not possible to win there.. too close to vietnam in profile if you ask me.. they wont give up.. they will never give up.. but we are there.. and i do support the troops with all my heart.. after all i was one of them out there.. yes you are right that we didnt have all the equipment necessary but in the same token.. not all of us needed them.. not even 10 percent of troops sent abroad ever see the outside of the army base.. the only time the equipment you stated above would be effective would be if your traveling down the highway and being shot at.. by either sniper fire or ambush fire.. i have been engaged in both fires for the record.. but yes i do agree that they need to provide all soldiers just in case.. but that means tax payers are willing to shell out the money.. and from personal experience.. i doubt they are willing.. haha.. not everyone cares for soldiers unfortunately.. if they did they would put their money where their mouth is and donate money or send care packages to soldiers currently abroad.. and thats just the sad truth.

this is so out of context.. and its very illogical to argue.. if thats your line of reasoning.. anything can be negated.. why dont you post pictures of the beheaded americans or europeans or japanese on here?? why dont you post pictures of israli victims from palestinian suicide bombers?? why not post pictures of WWII even?? every war has tragic pictures.. i saw these pictures live when i was in war.. and i didnt like it at all but its nature of the beast.. its not unique to just this war.. these pictures existed in the korean war, wwii, wwi, and especially in vietnam.. find me documents that america did this on purpose to innocent citizens.. and then i will weep for them.. but until then.. its just a sad truth.. your salivating comment is very extreme and so ridiculous.. i doubt that they wanted these pictures to be a reality if they could help it.. please stop the emotional roller coaster[quote]

[Snow Wolf]

Yeah...whatever....I think you`re wrong on almost every point you made....so sue me! I am done with this.....you are`nt getting my point that I merely posted a news worthy item for people to look at make up their own minds. You took what a couple of other people said about the US doing nothing and asigned that to me....I never ever claimed we were not doing anything.....I just supported the effort to add my name to the online petition to keep the pressure on this administration to stay involved with the U.N. in dealing with the crisis...period! As you can see NOBODY on here gives a sh!t about politics, they are too busy bitching about whether kids wear bandanas or tight pants or backpacks...it is just you an I bitching at each other. Again, from one veteran to another, thank you for serving. With regard to military budgets and money being the reason you did`nt have the equipment you needed...look at Bush.....he insisted on the tax cuts that only benifit the corporations and the very rich....first time in history the US government has cut taxes in war time. I am done with thread now and will no longer respond......think what you want, keep posting what you want...I don`t agree and I know you think I am an idiot and I don`t care.....goodbye!

[Snow Wolf]

Again, if you agree with this position, take action, if not...don`t. I would support some peace keeping forces at least to protect the innocent civilians who are not involved in the fighting.




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Dear Scott,

This headline from a recent editorial in the Washington Post about the situation in Darfur says it all: "Still a Genocide."

Despite a peace agreement between the Sudanese government and the largest Darfur rebel group, the violence continues. The starvation, torture, mutilation, and massacre of men, women and children go on. And the death toll climbs.

We must continue to act.

That is why we are calling on President Bush to push for a UN peacekeeping force in Darfur. It is the only way to ensure protection for Darfur’s innocent victims!

Click here to send a message to President Bush today:

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Last month, President Bush personally aided in brokering the peace agreement. This was an important first step. Yet with hundreds of thousands in Darfur already dead, millions more displaced and many at risk every day, we must continue to press for a solution.

That is why we are asking President Bush to press for a UN peacekeeping force to be on the ground in Darfur no later than October. We cannot wait any longer!

Join us in asking President Bush:
• To push for a UN force for Darfur;
• To strengthen African Union troops already in Darfur until the UN arrives;
• To continue supporting humanitarian assistance programs in Darfur; and
• To appoint a special envoy to coordinate US policy in the region.

Click here to email President Bush today.

Thank you for your continued support.

Sincerely,

David Rubenstein
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[thedude]

why should we get involved in Darfur when they don't even want the UN involved? Should we enter and make a fool out of ourselves and make more enemies? It's a civil war, let them fight it out. You don't get yourself involved in a fight when you have nothing to do with it.

that's besides the point. you remember reading and seeing images of death camps in Nazi germany? same shti is goign on there. camsp where innocent men, women, children, POWs and everythign in between is being slaughtered. not to mention the soldiers are just walking in a raping the women when they feel like it. probably a good percentage of the time they actually kill the woman when the rape them.

so basically what you are sayign is if you support the idea of not interfering, you are supporting these bastards who are commiting these crimes.

evil triumphs when good people sit around and do nothing.

[CustomRider13]

that's besides the point. you remember reading and seeing images of death camps in Nazi germany? same shti is goign on there. camsp where innocent men, women, children, POWs and everythign in between is being slaughtered. not to mention the soldiers are just walking in a raping the women when they feel like it. probably a good percentage of the time they actually kill the woman when the rape them.

so basically what you are sayign is if you support the idea of not interfering, you are supporting these bastards who are commiting these crimes.

evil triumphs when good people sit around and do nothing.
explain to me what you think we should do and explain to me what we have done so far.

[Snow Wolf]

Dear Scott,


I have some important news to report; we have reached our goal of one million postcards calling on President Bush to take stronger action on behalf of the suffering people of Darfur!

In a ceremony this morning at the U.S. Capitol, Senate Majority Leader Bill Frist (R-TN) and Senator Hillary Clinton (D-N.Y.) became the 999,999th and one-millionth postcard signers!

That means we now have one million postcards to deliver to President Bush urging action in Darfur. We reached this historic moment thanks to efforts by you - and hundreds of thousands of activists like you - and hundreds of organizations across the country.

While we've achieved this major milestone, the Darfur genocide is not yet over and so our work is not yet done. To help truly make a difference, your support right now is crucial.

Click here to make a tax-deductible contribution today to help us continue our efforts on behalf of the people of Darfur.

Millions in Darfur have already been displaced from their homes, with little hope of returning. They suffer in squalid refugee camps with little protection or hope for the future.

And hundreds of thousands have already died at the hands of a genocidal regime while every day more are killed.

President Bush has a critical role to play in stopping the Darfur genocide. His involvement was key in getting a signed peace agreement - an important first step.

But to truly stop the genocide in Darfur we must:

Deploy a UN peacekeeping force; and
Appoint an American envoy to be sure U.S. actions reflect the urgency of the crisis
Help the Save Darfur Coalition keep the story of Darfur in the news and on the minds of President Bush and members of Congress.

Click here now to make a tax-deductible contribution.

As always, your support is greatly appreciated.

Thank you,

David Rubenstein
Save Darfur Coalition

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