Bush and Hitler

[Snow Wolf]

An examination of what constitutes a Fascist regime......you decide!

http://www.bushflash.com/14.html

[ADRsk8boarder]

bush = hitler because of imperalistic wronges

[ADRsk8boarder]

bush = hitler because of imperalistic wronges

[shank]

I think we may be moving towards fascism no matter who is at the wheel. Ill tell you... Hillary Clinton scares me more than Bush... That woman is crazy!

I think that there is a fine line to tread between going to war and letting things lose control. After 911 it was a shock to the country that enabled a desire for security... You cant win... people would be screaming about too much or too little.

One thing that I find funny is any reference between Bush and Hitler... It is too easy of a reference to fall back to. Bush is no Hitler, and they were both driven by different forces. That reference is the one stated most, because it is the most extreme and simplest to make. The nazi party was so slanted and hitler was a madman.

Also as far as it goes, anyone on the far left or right, are usually quite insane if you ever listen to them...

[NEFFsteeze]

isn't there already like 2000000000 threads about bush

[booboo]

Snow Wolf, I might be reading too much into this but I kind of get a faint feeling that you are not 100% behind your president. I may be wrong but I can't help but get this feeling.

[Naked Hiker]

Snow Wolf, I might be reading too much into this but I kind of get a faint feeling that you are not 100% behind your president. I may be wrong but I can't help but get this feeling.

HAHAHA:lol2:

[ADRsk8boarder]

funny guy lmfao

[snowboardnguy90]

i think that comparing bush to hitler is a huge stretch.

bush has yet to create concentration camps on mass scale.

[snowboardnguy90]

what was funny though were the last few photos where bush had his arm outstretched hitler style. i feel a new avatar coming...

[ADRsk8boarder]

no he isnt creating large scale concentration camps. BUT he is throwing people into jail he doesnt like without charging them for a crime and keeping them in for unkown peiods of time .. 2 words GUANTAMINO BAY

[shank]

no he isnt creating large scale concentration camps. BUT he is throwing people into jail he doesnt like without charging them for a crime and keeping them in for unkown peiods of time .. 2 words GUANTAMINO BAY
lol... another huge stretch is even comparing the terrorists held there to jews, gypsies, homosexuals and the like... besides, we arent running tests on them and rushing them off to the incinerators now are we? There are alot of bad people out there besides Hitler... Hey... how about Napolean? Bush=Napolean? That movie in the thread was just showing the state of the governement and society... not comparing hitler to bush...

If the government started jailing people with opposing views of the government, then we'd have to worry. We may be taking steps for a more government run nation, but I dont think too much of that is by his doing... That is the way our nation is moving. Alot because of 911, We told the governtment to tighten the reigns, and they are starting to cinch em up pretty tight.

They have insurgents and suspected terrorists there... what kind of crime do you want? One other way that they are not even close to being comparable... Hitler wrote Mein Kampf... We all know that Bush doesn't know how to read or write...

[thedude]

bush's administration is full of messed up people. hell, anybody within the past few decades in american politics of high position is messed up. they never truly focus on the issues at hand, and if they do, they are so out of wack that it just screws things up even more. and for the current administration is just as screwy as they have been in the past.

kinda going off topic (maybe not), but personally, i think we will see WWIII in our lifetimes. and USof A is going to get an ass whooping. just my guess though

[rosepose48]

yeahhh saying bush is comparable to hitler is way too far. I mean, hitler had an amazing ability destroy the values and morals of the people he was leading and somehow twist their minds into thinking they were the superior race. He was an evil genius. Taking in account our president can't pronounce the word nuclear, has all the symptoms of Fedal Alcohol Syndrome (where the mother drinks when shes pregnant and has a messed up kid), and probably has an IQ of like 20, theres no way he could pull off anything Hitler-esque

[thedude]

yeahhh saying bush is comparable to hitler is way too far. I mean, hitler had an amazing ability destroy the values and morals of the people he was leading and somehow twist their minds into thinking they were the superior race. He was an evil genius. Taking in account our president can't pronounce the word nuclear, has all the symptoms of Fedal Alcohol Syndrome (where the mother drinks when shes pregnant and has a messed up kid), and probably has an IQ of like 20, theres no way he could pull off anything Hitler-esque

no, but hsi administration could. he's just a puppet for somethign bigger

[rosepose48]

yeah i understand that bush is just the representative for others more corrupt, i was just taking another stab at how lame he is.

Oh and going back to what you said about WWIII... has anybody seen the movie V for Vendetta?? the oil war demolishing our country and making it unlivible? its bound to happen some time or another unless we have major political changes soon

but seriously...Bush has to have fedal alcohol syndrome

[ADRsk8boarder]

if hitler was still alive and there was one thing i could say to him it would be "so hows that art career going?"

[thedude]

yeah i understand that bush is just the representative for others more corrupt, i was just taking another stab at how lame he is.

Oh and going back to what you said about WWIII... has anybody seen the movie V for Vendetta?? the oil war demolishing our country and making it unlivible? its bound to happen some time or another unless we have major political changes soon

but seriously...Bush has to have fedal alcohol syndrome

dude, i still haven't seen that movie, btu i want to so bad. it looked bad ass int he trailers and previews. i mgith end up just getting it for myself. and totally man, changes need to happen. i knwo we are all aware fo this, but sitting on our butts does nothing. talk is cheap, actiosn speak louder than words... ok, get the drift ;)

[thedude]

if hitler was still alive and there was one thing i could say to him it would be "so hows that art career going?"

psh! lol, thsi kid is my ****ing hero right now

[Snow Wolf]

Snow Wolf, I might be reading too much into this but I kind of get a faint feeling that you are not 100% behind your president. I may be wrong but I can't help but get this feeling.

Who me?....LMOA!


In general response to the thread (I am glad we are at least all talking about it thats a start!)

With regards to the comparrison to Hitler...I have made this comparison a lot and I want to explain what the comparison is in my opinion. I don`t mean it on a personal level or to say that Bush is like Hitler in his idealogy. My comparrison is one of strategy in the manipulation of our Republic. Bush and members of this administration are using the very same tactics to sieze more and more power for the Executive branch. People get their undies all in a bunch anytime a comparison is made, but honestly, that it the most acurate historical comparison with regard to the way they are doing this. In 1933 while Hitler was attempting to consolidate power to himself and the Nazi party, he used the fear of Communism to manipulate the German President (Hindenburg) and the parliment into passing the Enabling Act. His Nazi party set fire to the Reichstag (their Parlimentary building) and blamed it on Communist terrorists. Do a Google on "The Enabling Act of 1933" and compare it to our USA Patriot Act....It is frightening! Like Hitler, Bush and the neocons used 9-11 to prey upon a nation`s grief and fear to get a piece of legislation passed that normally never in a million years would have passed Constitutional scrutiny. Soon, after Hilter legally became dictator of Germany, he began persecuting the Jews and used biblical reference to do so. His rhetoric caused otherwise decent Germans to go along with the atrocities that followed...much the same way that Bush, the Republicans and the religious right are demonizing gays and immigrants. Like Hitler, the Bush admistration is overusing surveilence and putting huge amounts of threat and pressure on our free press to not report.

Even taking Bush out of the equasion, it is very dangerous to our Republic to remove so many of the checks and balances we have set up and place so much power in the hands of the executive branch of government. When making a comparison to Hitler, I am trying to show how easily freedom was lost in Germany through a 100% legal campaign and I see the same thing happening here....are we Nazi Germany...certainly not....at least not yet.....it did not happen overnight in Germany either and plenty of hard working, decent Germans never though it would happen there then and it did...

So please, when I or anyone makes a comparison, don`t go spastic in a knee-jerk reaction and then go into shut down mode.....this is a thing in our collective psychie that we need to overcome. If there was a more acurate comparison with regard to tactics and strategies, I would make it, but Hitler is the most acurate. Not saying his intent is like Hitler`s....I hate the son of a bitch with every fibre of my being, but I don`t think he is that evil....very very stupid and amoral, but not Hitler style evil.

Someone mentioned we are not building concentration camps....well, that is`nt entirely acurate either....KBD and Wackenhut are in fact converting old military bases and other secure facilities into "detention centers" allegedly for housing illegal immigrants awaiting "Processing" On the same note.....a fellow Instructor is also a doctor at a practice out in Astoria Or where they deal with Medicare and Medicade patients and a lot of them are illeagal aliens of Hispanic origin. When this latest hubub on immigration came up, the INS made a lot of raids and there are a bunch of clients that have "dissapeared" often leaving children with no parents and no one can find these people....where did they go and what has happened to them. Reagan had a bunch of these detention centers built during the Central American operations just in case there were massive civil uprisings over this...again, Google search......also, now for the first time in American history, if you want to peacably assemble to protest government action or redress a greivance, you have to get papers and go to "free spech zones" which are miles away from the president.....all of America is supposed to be a free speech zone..... I think if you really do your homework, you will learn, we are closer to Fascism or Oligarchy or Theocracy than you realize.

[shank]

bush's administration is full of messed up people. hell, anybody within the past few decades in american politics of high position is messed up. they never truly focus on the issues at hand, and if they do, they are so out of wack that it just screws things up even more. and for the current administration is just as screwy as they have been in the past.

kinda going off topic (maybe not), but personally, i think we will see WWIII in our lifetimes. and USof A is going to get an ass whooping. just my guess though

"Issues at hand" is all just political fodder. They use it to pass legislation for other things.

I believe we will see ww3 also... Did you know that in the bible, the USA doesnt exist? That is at least what Ive heard from some of my real religious friends. We are going to fall out of power some how. Alot of Americans think we are invincible..."Just bomb the bastards and let god sort them out". We are more intertwined with the world, and could be economically crippled with just the loss of a few allies. If the world turns on us... we are screwed.

2012... thats when some people believe the world comes to an end...
based on... mayancosmogenesis, Edgar Cayce.

[snowboardnguy90]

One other way that they are not even close to being comparable... Hitler wrote Mein Kampf... We all know that Bush doesn't know how to read or write...

mwahahahaha.

[snowboardnguy90]

"Issues at hand" is all just political fodder. They use it to pass legislation for other things.

I believe we will see ww3 also... Did you know that in the bible, the USA doesnt exist? That is at least what Ive heard from some of my real religious friends. We are going to fall out of power some how. Alot of Americans think we are invincible..."Just bomb the bastards and let god sort them out". We are more intertwined with the world, and could be economically crippled with just the loss of a few allies. If the world turns on us... we are screwed.

2012... thats when some people believe the world comes to an end...
based on... mayancosmogenesis, Edgar Cayce.

of course the USA isn't mentioned in the bible...?

[shank]

of course the USA isn't mentioned in the bible...?
eh? In revelations and the end of times, It states symbols... I think the ones left are like Russia, China... blah blah... cant remember... I just know that the USA isnt mentioned as one of the superpowers...

I could be wrong though... Is there any bible minded folk who can clear up the whole end of days passages?

[ADRsk8boarder]

dude the bible was riten 1500 years ago dumbass russia and china werent called that

[thedude]

it's probabyl because at that time period, trade routes form those regions were opened, and at the same time the Americas haven't been discovered yet. so that's one of the major reason i think.

non-the-less, i think it will happen, and we are going to create armagedon, not some super natural ****

[shank]

dude the bible was riten 1500 years ago dumbass russia and china werent called that
Hey jackass! do you know what symbolism is?? I said it states "symbols" didnt I?... like russia would be referred to as the "bear".

Same as the bible says fire will rain from the skies... now clearly it doesnt say... "the world will end in a nuclear war, followed by 2000 years of nuclear winter..." Thats just my interpretation mind you... :)

[ADRsk8boarder]

wow man i am catholic and even i dont beleive in that mumbo jumbo

[shank]

wow man i am catholic and even i dont beleive in that mumbo jumbo
From what I hear, you should be reading it... lol. My one friend reads Revelations all the time... He says that there is stuff taking place as we speak... Its crazy stuff though...

I know there was one part that says that Europe will unite under one currency... then the Euro came around... I was like hmmmm.......

Im no bible beater... I just see references between the two.

lol.... how convenient that this smiley is chillin' over here... :amen:

[rosepose48]

if hitler was still alive and there was one thing i could say to him it would be "so hows that art career going?"


can we please vote this kid president

[ADRsk8boarder]

u no now that im thinkin' i wanted to be a senator, but i should go all the way to the white house. if bush got in with c's then i can get in with a 3.7 gpa and also im for gun control, so no one will get shot in the face

[rosepose48]

good call. i hate getting shot in the face

[ADRsk8boarder]

my i believe that might sting just a little

[instigator1225]

the only difference between hitler and bush is that after bush dies no one would want to talk and meet with him.


and it doesnt matter wha tu say hitler was a genius. think about wha the did and how he did it. BUT what he did was terrible yea....hitler was still undeniably a genius. he jsut like napolean got greddy. if he didnt we would all probibly be speaking german.

[shank]

u no now that im thinkin' i wanted to be a senator, but i should go all the way to the white house. if bush got in with c's then i can get in with a 3.7 gpa and also im for gun control, so no one will get shot in the face
Are your parents millionaires, or oil tycoons? if not... then id say forget it.... :)

[shank]

the only difference between hitler and bush is that after bush dies no one would want to talk and meet with him.


and it doesnt matter wha tu say hitler was a genius. think about wha the did and how he did it. BUT what he did was terrible yea....hitler was still undeniably a genius. he jsut like napolean got greddy. if he didnt we would all probibly be speaking german.
There was a lesson to be learned there... Never fight a war on multiple fronts... If he wouldnt have tried to take Moscow... things may have turned out a lot differently.

[ADRsk8boarder]

Are your parents millionaires, or oil tycoons? if not... then id say forget it.... :)

are u a douche thats called the republican party

[instigator1225]

yeah very veyr true.. but look at hitlers problem .. how could he ahve know he was goign to fight the russians during the longest hardest and coldest winter in like what 70 years?

[snowboardnguy90]

are u a douche thats called the republican party

no, you need lots of money and some power to stand any chance at getting presidency.

Bush came from a rich family of powerful politicians... if he was a middle class kid there's no way he'd get the office.

[ADRsk8boarder]

yea i no u need money and connections

[shank]

are u a douche thats called the republican party
no... You just cant make sense of things can you?

[instigator1225]

shhhhh it takes that boy a couple more minutes then most.....

the rum is starting to get to him.

[ADRsk8boarder]

haha sorry .. so what are u doing currently, job wise, shank?

[shank]

Im a Multimedia Designer.

[ADRsk8boarder]

thats pretty cool u make computer games?

[shank]

I can... Ive made a simple side view scroller called Timmy the Nightmare Slayer as a school project. They take alot of time. I dont make them at work though...

I work with Web Design, Graphic Design, 3D, Visual Effects, Audio, Video... basically... we do everything.

[ADRsk8boarder]

cooooooool

[snowboardnguy90]

i'm computer illiterate.

i got a C+ in my C++ class last year.

[ADRsk8boarder]

im confused

[snowboardnguy90]

C++ is a computer language.

[ADRsk8boarder]

aha.......

[snowboardnguy90]

yea it was a ****ty joke.

i actually got a B, but the class was mostly discrete math because my teacher is really a genius (left high school for MIT as a sophomore, left MIT for Harvard, all free. He teaches for moral reasons or something) who wants to expand our minds...

[ADRsk8boarder]

hate that reason , hes in it for the money

[shank]

i'm computer illiterate.

i got a C+ in my C++ class last year.

lol... I havent coded in C++ yet... Im not a big codehead... I can manage flash :)

I am mainly around to make things look pretty.

[snowboardnguy90]

hate that reason , hes in it for the money

teachers get paid pretty low wages. he could seriously be working with nuclear bombs or something if he wanted to.

[snowboardnguy90]

lol... I havent coded in C++ yet... Im not a big codehead... I can manage flash :)

I am mainly around to make things look pretty.

ohhh, my friend does that stuff. i always work on my group projects with him because he makes these crazy slideshows and layouts.

[ADRsk8boarder]

well public schools teachers dont get that bad of pay, its the private school teachers, they dont get a lot

[ADRsk8boarder]

wait, how did we get on teaching with a bush hitler forum??

[elmoiscool45]

because bush hitler and teaching are all in the same category of poop noises

[shank]

wait, how did we get on teaching with a bush hitler forum??
Thats what I love about the evolution of a conversation... It can grow legs and run anywhere.

[snowboardnguy90]

like a centipede.

[elmoiscool45]

your face goes legs and runs anywhere

ooooo dang

[shank]

Them is fightin' words!

[ADRsk8boarder]

your face goes legs and runs anywhere

ooooo dang

OHH SNAP.. IM GETTIN HYPHY

[snowboardnguy90]

Fight! Fight! Fight! Fight! Fight! Fight!

[instigator1225]

i got ten buks on philsbury

[shank]

in the purple shorts, weighing in at 130 lbs... This 5'6" firecracker of fury has a background in Wrestling and backyard boxing... and a record of 65 and 5... The tenacious and fiesty Jereeeeeeeemmmmmmyyyy Shhhhaaaaaaaaaaaannnnnkk.

[snowboardnguy90]

*crowd cheers*



aaaannnnd in the white pastry chef hat, weighing in at 4 and 5/8ths grams, with a history in baking, commercializing, selling, and getting poked in the stomach.......................................... the cute and cheerful PILLSBURRRRYYY DOOOOOOUUUUUUUUUUGGGHHH BOOOOOOYYYYYYYY!!!!!!


*crowd cheers again*

[123taylerlee]

i think oprah or condolissa rice should be president

[ADRsk8boarder]

wtf way to ruin the the train

[instigator1225]

i totally forgot.... i want to retrack my bet and put 100 on the other kid..... anyone with the last name shank is bound to be ruthless

[snowboardnguy90]

i think oprah or condolissa rice should be president


say whaaaat?? i think oprah would be a horrible president, Rice will probably do better than bush, but not much better.

and there's never been a single non-white, female, non-protestant (except JFK) president. there probably won't be for a while because racism is still prominent.

[ADRsk8boarder]

i want jackie chan

[Snow Wolf]

Gandalf-Galadriel 2008!

[ADRsk8boarder]

say what?.

[elmoiscool45]

i totally forgot.... i want to retrack my bet and put 100 on the other kid..... anyone with the last name shank is bound to be ruthless

noo. the pilsberry dough boy has been poked in the belly 1 to many times and will kill whoever does it. he even says it.

[Snow Wolf]

quote=ADRsk8boarder]say what?.[/quote]

Havent you seen The Lord of the Rings? good God man...they would make a kick ass team.....LOL

[snowboardnguy90]

lol LOTR NERD!@!! jp i love those movies.

over the summer i'm gonna watch all three of them (extended editions if i can find them) in a row. gonna be sweet.

[Snow Wolf]

They`re great movies....although I did draw the line at dressing up as one of the characters to go see the movie....there were so many people doing that....it was funny as hell....like all the nerds and a Star Trek convention....ROFLMAO!!!

[snowboardnguy90]

hahaha they do that with star wars also.

i don't have the guts to display my nerdity in that fashion.

this is kind of off topic, but hilarious nonetheless...


http://youtube.com/watch?v=nkJWTgbZEaE&search=star%20wars%20nerd

[Snow Wolf]

Funny sh!t!

[snowboardnguy90]

"dude, you're about to get your ass kicked by a star wars nerd!"


lol the star wars nerd lays him out.

[ADRsk8boarder]

i really didnt get into the lord of the rings everyone else did and i thought it was ok

[snowboardnguy90]

that's because you're not nerdy enough.


NERD SNOWBOARDERS, UNITE!

[elmoiscool45]

i really didnt get into the lord of the rings everyone else did and i thought it was ok

me neither. i mean maybe if they were like half as long. i couldnt see it in theaters because i have to get my 44oz. soda to go see any movie and i cant hold that longer than 2 and a half hours.

[Snow Wolf]

pee in the cup! LOL

[shank]

They`re great movies....although I did draw the line at dressing up as one of the characters to go see the movie....there were so many people doing that....it was funny as hell....like all the nerds and a Star Trek convention....ROFLMAO!!!
I didnt dress up to go see the movie... but I did dress up to go to walmart. Lol! My brother, friend and I got all fantasy clad and went to Walmart at around 10 at night. Everyone sees you... but they wont look at you.

My friend is an artisan of puns, and he was having way too much fun with it...

We didnt bring the swords with us though... thought that might be a bad idea...

[shank]

i really didnt get into the lord of the rings everyone else did and i thought it was ok
Didn't understand the movie? or the hype?

[ADRsk8boarder]

didnt understand the hype... yea it was a good series excuse me trilogy, but they dragged on to long

[Snow Wolf]

You have to really be a Tolkien fan to appreciate them....even as long as they were, Peter Jackson had to cut out a lot of material....but I think he did a fantastic job of staying true to Tolkien`s work....the only issue I had was the way Farimir was portrayed as lusting after the Ring and the thing between Sam and Frodo...never happened in the books....but I guess that`s the movie bizz. They were not too long for a true Tolkien fan....LOL!

[shank]

Yah.. The movies would have had to be 5 hours long to cover everything.... I would have gladly sat through that... lol.

I was very pissed off about Faramir... and pissed off about the Ents. They agreed to go to war, they werent tricked into seeing the aftermath of the Isengard war campaign... Also... I was looking foward to seeing the ent Quickbeam.

The other thing that I was VERY dissapointed in.... I wanted to see the Hobbit Rebellion! the battle against "Sharky" Saruman...

The 3rd movie really started to drag.... all because of this Arwen and Strider love story... Yah it was in the book, but it wasnt prominant. I guess they needed it to keep in not all about the war... They could have taken out a little bit of that crap and squeezed in the Hobbiton battle.

lol, i find it slightly ironic that LotR is based around WW2, and we are having this conversation in a thread based around hitler....

[Snow Wolf]

Hahaha!....that irony did`nt dawn on me till you mentioned it...that is weird.....yeah, I totally agree about the ommission of basically a complete and very important chapter in the RTK......how Mordor was trying to reform in the Shire....that was an important part to have ommitted....the whole Ent thing was off base too. The first two movies were very acurate, but a lot went off track in the last movie now that I think about it....and yeah they got obsessed with the love story aspect.

[snowboardnguy90]

Tom Bombadil!

[snowboardnguy90]

=( it was supposed to be in all caps... wth.


the extended editions of the movies show a few extra scenes that i thought were pretty cool though...

[shank]

I wanted to see Tom Bombadil also... Except I agree with not putting any of that in there... To make the flow well and have the first part take place exactly as it did in the book, they would have tacked on another good 45 minutes... I was pleased with the first one. My favorite book was the two towers... But my favorite of the movies might be the 1st. Hobbiton was too great and soothing...great opening...

Best battle... Battle of Peleanor Fields...

I love the oliphants....lol.

I must say though that Tolkien was extremely long winded... But that is why they were able to create every aspect of middle earth with precision.

[Snow Wolf]

I must say though that Tolkien was extremely long winded... But that is why they were able to create every aspect of middle earth with precision.

Have you read The Silmarillion? Oh my God.... it is like an alternate Bible.....long winded is right...but he was the master!


I wish Peter Jackson would have made a movie out of The Hobbit....that would have been a great one...not too long and complicated, but really great on the screen!!!!

[shank]

Have you read The Silmarillion? Oh my God.... it is like an alternate Bible.....long winded is right...but he was the master!
lol... geeez. Havent read it yet. He indeed was the master. Him and CS Lewis were the pioneers of the fantasy genre, correct? I believe they were both writing around the same time.

Tolkien even invented the elf, correct? lol, im drawing a lot on things I think to be true, but Im not 100 percent sure. I believe it was him though and the elves are based on the scandenavian nations. Because of their fair features and I believe in a medieval book or something that the scandenavians were called something to the extent of elves.

For him to create a language.... my god! Tolkien was amazing. Whenever I write, I find myself taking the long breathed approach... then I realize that people are alot more action based now, so I have to contort my writing accordingly. By the way.. I write for fun, nothing published.

No body likes long detail anymore I think.... all because of the internet and tv... lol.

[ADRsk8boarder]

oohh god ont even get me started with c.s. lewis i remeber reading the LION THE WITCH & THE WARDOBE in 5th grade and i thought it was the worst book ever written.. i guess i hate that magical fariy stuff, but i do like star ars cept i dont dress up..

[ADRsk8boarder]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ob0TkqEwhbk&search=%20triumph%2B%20star%20wars .... hahaha i love triumph

[ADRsk8boarder]

wait until 7:09 its the best part

[shank]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ob0TkqEwhbk&search=%20triumph%2B%20star%20wars .... hahaha i love triumph
I hate that thing...It annoys the **** outta me.

[ADRsk8boarder]

i love triumph the dog he so hilarious

[shank]

oohh god ont even get me started with c.s. lewis i remeber reading the LION THE WITCH & THE WARDOBE in 5th grade and i thought it was the worst book ever written.. i guess i hate that magical fariy stuff, but i do like star ars cept i dont dress up..
High Fantasy and Sci Fi are bedfellows... I used to be real into Sci-Fi, until I fell into the world of Fantasy. I guess why there is so much love for the genres is that anything goes. You can create any worlds or societies and are not really bound by any laws. You can have a science fiction fantasy... lol, ive been toying with the idea. Magic hits Silicon Valley...

[snowboardnguy90]

the problem is that magic makes technology pointless...

[elmoiscool45]

oohh god ont even get me started with c.s. lewis i remeber reading the LION THE WITCH & THE WARDOBE in 5th grade and i thought it was the worst book ever written.. i guess i hate that magical fariy stuff, but i do like star ars cept i dont dress up..

I wanna shoot that book in the face. and that movie too. i got it on netflix it was the worst 3 hours of my life

[Snow Wolf]

Another great series of books are by Terry Brooks...the Shannara series....very close to Tolkien in quality in my opinion...really liked all of them! I love his setting of this being Earth after our Nuclear War......

[shank]

the problem is that magic makes technology pointless...
I would say that technology would enhance magic... I was taking it from the angle of....

a huge robotics/military firm has developed machines that contain enough human cells and organs to be able to use magic, and through that, they become war machines... The robots would lack the mental fatigue and have the focus needed to cast massive amounts of spells. Not only that... But when you have a pentium 8 running 160,000 lines of spells a second.... You would have one badass magic casting machine...

Either one of these robots would go AI or it would be an effort to take over the earth... basically, everyone who steps in its way, gets killed...

I dunno... just a thought. I think it would be pretty cool.

My nerd side is showing big time.... :)

lol, people would stumble onto these posts and think they are in a D&D forum.

[Snow Wolf]

Yeah...but we have covertly hidden our subversive activities under a the guise of political debate.........pretty sneaky!!! Hell, we can probably talk sh!t about everyone....NO one ever reads posts here.......hehehe!!

[Snow Wolf]

I wanna shoot that book in the face. and that movie too. i got it on netflix it was the worst 3 hours of my life

Was it that bad? I`ve never read or seen it

[shank]

I wanna shoot that book in the face. and that movie too. i got it on netflix it was the worst 3 hours of my life
Well it sort of is a childrens movie.... I thought the CG in some places was pretty sweet. I laughed through a bit of it.... Whenever they were in any position of leadership. And the end... That movie had heavy christian roots. I havent read the book, but I hear it is the same. It was like Christianity meets Harry Potter...(only because it is kid geared).

I did like how the animals took different sides... what can be better than seeing a beaver shoot a bow? Another thing I found funny was that the Satyrs(fawns, tumnus) were on the good side, when usually they are referred to as demons.

[shank]

Yeah...but we have covertly hidden our subversive activities under a the guise of political debate.........pretty sneaky!!! Hell, we can probably talk sh!t about everyone....NO one ever reads posts here.......hehehe!!
All right!! A little nook for us to rally the troops!

When a member says "Look at this briefcase handcuffed to my wrist...", members reply, "Luckily I brought a bone saw."

lol, just kidding... although, we should do it in a popular post, confuse the hell out of everyone....

They will think they got a cult on their hands. fun.

[snowboardnguy90]

sounds like a good book idea.

[ADRsk8boarder]

hitler and bush = lord of the rings..cause there bad..... haha jk

[shank]

hitler and bush = lord of the rings..cause there bad..... haha jk
Lord of the rings will walk all over your Harry Potter lovin' ass!

[shank]

Another great series of books are by Terry Brooks...the Shannara series....very close to Tolkien in quality in my opinion...really liked all of them! I love his setting of this being Earth after our Nuclear War......
I think I might have seen some of his books... does it have a blonde dude on the front of the covers?

The other fantasy author that I read alot of is RA Salvatore, just his dark elf series though... Drizzt rocks. The whole Menzoberranzan is sweet... I like the Illithid(mindflayers) all too much also...

I do enjoy forgotten realms authors...

Raistlin(dragonlance) is cool too... screw tanis, lol.

The last book I started writing... I got pissed off at because I think that is the direction that the dark elf series is going in... Im like damn! now people will think I copied...

Wow... look at all of that... sad, huh?

[ADRsk8boarder]

haha HARRY POTTER KICKSASS

[ext89]

Bush is no Hitler. Everyone in Germany loved hitler, in america, repubs and liberals alike hate him.

[jonnygee]

if you notice on some of the topics they were short and brief... the only true ways we really are a facsist nation is if the government basically had total control of our lives and were not killing people off.. we might have slid twoards fascism but we will probably never fully become it

[snowboardnguy90]

Bush is no Hitler. Everyone in Germany loved hitler, in america, repubs and liberals alike hate him.

actually, they were forced to love hitler... i mean i'd say about 40% or something really did support him whole-heartedly, because he brought germany out of its economic slum and made it into a world power again after the WWI embarrassment, but a majority were just scared to speak out against him. kind of like how the patriot act makes people scared to be out of the ordinary, because phones are tapped and people are randomly (meaning chosen only if you look middle eastern) selected for baggage check.

kind of like a (very) small-scale hitler regime

[shank]

OH NO.... They are on to us....

[shank]

haha HARRY POTTER KICKSASS
Do you really like Harry Potter?

[ADRsk8boarder]

hells yea the movie suk but the book is kickass.. i got into it when i was like 8 or 9 when they first came out

[shank]

hells yea the movie suk but the book is kickass.. i got into it when i was like 8 or 9 when they first came out
I think the movies are actually pieced togeather quite well... its just the fact that... gandalf could bring all of hogwarts smoldering to the ground! lol, Gandalf never really did much... I bet he could though... Elminster could... lol, im terrible....

[ADRsk8boarder]

lol.......

[Snow Wolf]

I love the Harry Potter movies.....hey picture this for a good laugh.....Haged on a snowboard!!!! Yeah Sahnk, those are the books......the first book in the series is "The Sword Of Shannara" then he wrote 3 more before starting a series The Heritage of Shannara then even more that I am now reading...if you like Tolkien you will love Terry Brooks!

[Snow Wolf]

hitler and bush = lord of the rings..cause there bad..... haha jk

Sauron and Saruman.......no wait......Hitler = Sauron and Bush is:



George W Gollum!
http://www.intergate.com/~cccp/pics/bushgollum.jpg

[shank]

I love the Harry Potter movies.....hey picture this for a good laugh.....Haged on a snowboard!!!! Yeah Sahnk, those are the books......the first book in the series is "The Sword Of Shannara" then he wrote 3 more before starting a series The Heritage of Shannara then even more that I am now reading...if you like Tolkien you will love Terry Brooks!
Its so screwed up! lol, I was at a little church festival. They had a little rummage sale and I went down there, picked up a couple of things... I checked out the books. The only fantasy books in there were these 2 books by Brooks. I believe they were the two that you just mentioned. I know I picked up "The Sword of Shannara" but I dont remember what the second was... I grabbed em, taking it as a sign because you had mentioned them earlier... lol. I think they were the original release paperbacks... I got em for 25 cents a pop. Cant beat that!

I just remembered now.... the ones I was thinking of before is a series by an author called Troy Denning I believe. I saw them at half priced books in the clearance section for a dollar each, I think there were about 5 in the series there. I dont remember how many were in the actual series... 6? I wish I would have picked those up... Maybe that will shed more light on that book.

[shank]

Sauron and Saruman.......no wait......Hitler = Sauron and Bush is: George W Gollum!

Ahhhh geez!!! someone was a good photoshopper... lol.

[Snow Wolf]

Been reading the Wheel of Time series by Robert Jordan...there are a ton of them and I am having a little bit of a hard time staying with them...he throws in SO much detail...kind of drags along I think.

[Snow Wolf]

Yeah go check out freakingnews.com...it is a site where photoshoppers compete....some cool stuff and some very funny stuff like this!......gotta go...later

[shank]

I saw those.... I was like... yah, I'm not even going to dive into those beasts.... there are what? 12 + books in the series each sporting about 500 pages right?

[ADRsk8boarder]

wow wut a bitch to read

[rosepose48]

okay so yeah im a nerd and basically just read this whole forum for the past 10 minutes... but going back to the lion witch and the wardrobe... c.s. lewis made aslan jesus. I mean think about it.

1. They both died to save others/ the world
2. they both get tortured when they get killed but dont protest about it
3. the two girls are there when aslan dies (mary +mary magdaline for jesus (sp.))
4. they both are missing, then are found back from the dead

when i made this connection, for some reason, the whole story just took a weird almost creepy turn

[snowboardnguy90]

yea i think somebody mentioned earlier that the narnia series had very religious undertones...

i still think the books are stupid though, mainly because the original movies killed it for me.

[shank]

okay so yeah im a nerd and basically just read this whole forum for the past 10 minutes... but going back to the lion witch and the wardrobe... c.s. lewis made aslan jesus. I mean think about it.

1. They both died to save others/ the world
2. they both get tortured when they get killed but dont protest about it
3. the two girls are there when aslan dies (mary +mary magdaline for jesus (sp.))
4. they both are missing, then are found back from the dead

when i made this connection, for some reason, the whole story just took a weird almost creepy turn

lol... dont forget the most important part!!!! They both arose from the dead! lol thats the clincher! In the movie Aslan broke the stone... Jesus moved the stone! Its nuts... the whole time I watched that movie i was like hmmmm....

to boot the children are called sons of adam and daughters of eve....

[Snow Wolf]

Not fantasy, nor typical sci-fi, but I am big time into the Deathlands books and audio books! They are awesome....it is a post nuclear Mad-Max type of thing with the main character traveling via mat-trans gateways to deal with one tyrranical baron after another. The books are good, but the audio productions are amazing....you can check them out at:

http://www.cuttingaudio.com/

Oh and by the way, when you start to read the Sword of Shannara, be prepared to become addicted and loose some sleep to reading....LOL

[shank]

lol... I might not have to worry about that... I have a trip to Arizona coming up in a couple of days. I will polish it off on the planeride there... That is as long as my girlfriend doesnt want to talk the whole time... lol.

One problem though... I checked it out last night... the other book I got was wishsong the 3rd book... not the 2nd book in the series elfstones... so I may just read the first, buy the second somewhere there and read that on the way back...

[snowboardnguy90]

my one friend owns every D&D manual ever created...

[shank]

hahaha... how much off a nerd am I?? I still want to play D&D... I could never find anyone that plays... I still want to learn. It looks like alot of fun.

[snowboardnguy90]

you can play with my friend, that's all he ever talks about.

[Snow Wolf]

In high school in the early 80`s my friends and I would get together and start playing friday night and go till sundy with short breaks for food, sleep and bathroom...we were like cultist....read nerds....LOL it was so fun. Yeah...BTW you definitely need to read them in order...otherwise nothing will make sense. If like Gandalf...you are going to really like the Druid, Allanon...he is a major bad ass!!!!

[shank]

In the 80s, wasnt that the high point of D&D?? the good olD&D days... lol.

I read the first chapter...lol, so I just met Allanon. :)

[Snow Wolf]

FYI
The books in the series in order:

Sword of Shannara
Elfstones of Shannara
Wishsong of Shannara
First King of Shannara...prequel...takes place before the time of Sword, but written much later. Read last, but before going on to Heritage series

The Heritage of Shannara series:

Scions of Shannara
Druid of Shannara
Elf Queen of Shannara
Talismans of Shannara

The Voyage of the Jerle Shannara series:

Isle Witch
Antrax
Morgwar

High Druid of Shannara series:
Jarka Ruus
Tanequil
A third book not yet released...

[shank]

Thanks a bunch... that will come in handy!

[ADRsk8boarder]

ok i just watched shindlers list for the second time in class today and that **** is gruesome....

[shank]

ok i just watched shindlers list for the second time in class today and that **** is gruesome....
Did you have popcorn?

[ADRsk8boarder]

haha no but it is dry at times but when ever boobies show im full focus

[shank]

Oh yah.... like when the bodies are being piled onto eachother????

[snowboardnguy90]

you're still in school? sucks to be you...

[ADRsk8boarder]

yea like when there burning the bodies in the huge stack and theres the conveyor belt thingie just putting the dead on top of the burning stack... it sad when he is saying "why didnt i sell my car that is worth 10 more people; or my pin this is gold, that is one person" and he breaksdown.....yea im only a sophmore

[snowboardnguy90]

yea that's a sad scene... it keeps making me feel like i'm a horrible person...


"my shirt's worth 10 dollars... i could feed starving children in africa for 3 months with that..."

[shank]

yea that's a sad scene... it keeps making me feel like i'm a horrible person...


"my shirt's worth 10 dollars... i could feed starving children in africa for 3 months with that..."
lol.... you are a horrible person.... god told me so. Give your money to the Christian childrens fund... all of it! lol.

[snowboardnguy90]

must.... succumb.... must.... give all money.... to pope....

[ADRsk8boarder]

haha the church is so ****in rich the pope has more bling and ice then any rapper i no

[shank]

You know a bunch of rappers huh?? only rapper I know is Cheb Grill Snoopdy I Sef... Thats my underground rapper name. I play an accordian and lay down some sick ass bass with my foot.

Im basically a whole posse...

word.

[ADRsk8boarder]

my name would be white chocolate or the uhO oreo

[BA_Floater]

ok, when bush kills MILLIONS of innocent women and children (and don't even say he did that in iraq, because even if innocent people died it wasn't millions of them) then.... and only then can you compare bush to hittler...

[shank]

As the sayin goes... You want to make a big omlette, you have to break a few million eggs.

that is the saying right?

[NCC-1701]

ok, when bush kills MILLIONS of innocent women and children (and don't even say he did that in iraq, because even if innocent people died it wasn't millions of them) then.... and only then can you compare bush to hittler...
Did you actually watch the flash or just have a knee jerk reaction? I think the point being made is that our country is slipping into Facism under Bush and the Republicans in congress. Nowhere in the flash did Mike Malloy say Bush WAS Hitler. Don`t let an emotional reaction overshadow your intellect.:-|

[ADRsk8boarder]

yea thread resurfaced!!! http://www.antiwar.com/casualties/

[username? tim?]

lol i love how this gets so off topic and then yanked back with no addition to the rest of the stuff written...

but any way someone said lotr was based on world war 2, tolkien said it was not allagory in any way (not sure i believe that but what ever)

harry potter pretty much is lotr for a younger more a.d. audience lol

the chronicals of narnia seems so christian like because c.s. lewis is a really christian guy... or was

cs lewis and tolkien were writing at the same time... they even chilled down at the pub had some drinks and critiqued eachothers writing

arthur c. clarke rivals the genious of tolkien i mean that guy was in the science field pretty much his whole life he designed satillites and things and his writing is pretty much what the human race has the potential to be... he's prolly disappointed in us i mean we were sposed to live on the moon and be able to fly humans cryogenically frozen to saturn by 2001 i think we got sidetracked with cell phones and subwoofers

teachers actaully make about average wages but anyone that goes to m.i.t. and then teaches is not in the teaching for the money my only good teachers in highschool were former engineers

i don't know what fascist means....

who thinks i should be president?!?!

[snowboardnguy90]

fascist is a form of government that follows a strict heirarchy. one caste follows any above caste without question.

but most people just like to throw that word around without really knowing what they're talking about.


genious as he was, tolkein was still boring =\

[username? tim?]

ha i looked it up...

tolkein was pretty boring that's why i like c. clark he get's to the point


i still think i should be president

[NCC-1701]

fascist is a form of government that follows a strict heirarchy. one caste follows any above caste without question.

but most people just like to throw that word around without really knowing what they're talking about.


genious as he was, tolkein was still boring =\

You have part of it right, but it is so much more. Fascism is a totalitarian form of government that at it`s core is merge of the corporations and government with a fervent sense of nationalsim and often strong religeous influence. We are not there yet, but that is the direction we are headed. If you want to learn more about what Fascism really is, check this out...it`s breif.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fascism

One could also argue that America is turning into an Oligarchy as well, were the wealthy elite control the government (very basic and crude definition, but you get the point) You are correct that a lot of people do not understand these forms of totalitarian regimes. For example a huge percentage of people cannot tell the difference between Fascism and Communism, but they are light years apart from each other...almost polar opposites.

Tolkien...boring? not for me, I am a HUGE Tolkien fan, but to each their own:D

[snowboardnguy90]

i found mild entertainment from the hobbit and the two towers... but i don't like how he overdoes the description on things that you don't really need to know. it kind of distracts me from the story and makes my mind wander.

[shank]

But that is why he is so great... Peter Jackson's vision for the Lord of the Rings was pretty much just how I envisioned everything as well... because of Tolkiens writing. With that type of description, you have no option but to be on the same page with him. Pardon the pun.

The problem is lack of attention span in our technology savvy generation. ADD is only going to get worse... Im so glad I am addicted to the internet and not TV(not including discovery or nova). TV is mindless...

[snowboardnguy90]

i guess what you say is true. but the thing is when i read i like to use my imagination more and create an image myself in my head, instead of reading "there was a building comprised of 345000 bricks, all the same color of dried blood, with dimensions approximately 4 inches by 12 inches..."

[snwbrder3384]

read Dune then, frank herbert dosnt describe very much at all, hence both movies look way differnet. and it is also very political. Oil=Spice

[shank]

Oh I agree... although, I dont know if he breaks it down quite that much...

The one thing I did hate is in the Return of the King, I believe there was tons of pages where each day was comprised of...eating a rationed portion of lembas and walking...thats it. It was like a terrible amount of mindless story filler to match the plot timing... they could have had to work their way around an orc scout or something...

[snwbrder3384]

who are you talking about breaking it down that much?

[West]

Hitler was a military tactical genious. (Not that I'm a neo-nazi)

Bush... not so much.

[shank]

Tolkien, he was descriptive, but I dont thnik he was to the point of being anal.

[snwbrder3384]

i agree there, remember how old that book is, when it was writtin nobody alread knew what alot of the different races looked like and such so he had to be very descriptive.

[instigator1225]

i agree with hitler being a genius and bush a bumbling retard.....

[snowboardnguy90]

Oh I agree... although, I dont know if he breaks it down quite that much...




yeah, if you get to know me better you'll learn that i tend to exaggerate to prove my point.


i think i've heard of Dune, and that it's also really good and funny? or maybe i'm thinking of a different series...

[snwbrder3384]

Dune has been turned into a movie twice, once by david lynch and it just turned out bad becuase the studio made him cut it down to 2 1/2 hrs, and it was remade for the scifi channel as a 6 hour miniseries, which after you take the comercials out, was about 4 hours and change. To understand the political message of Dune you really have to read the book the miniserises, alough much closer to the book, just coudlent include all the information, that and the costume desigher should of been shot.

[ADRsk8boarder]

can we stop this crap of trying to connect crappy writers that r boring as hell, sorry to offend fantasy peple, with hitler and bush

[shank]

yeah, if you get to know me better you'll learn that i tend to exaggerate to prove my point.

I know it was an exaggeration for that purpose :)

on exaggeration... I have a friend whose stories become more and more outlandish each time they are told. The older the memory, the bigger the difference between fact and fiction...

can we stop this crap of trying to connect crappy writers that r boring as hell, sorry to offend fantasy peple, with hitler and bush
No. You can go start a thread about Bush and Hitler... This is a thread about fantasy writers. Read the title!
:p
Teehee...
I believe the thread has evolved... into... um...aha!. The unofficial name for this thread from here on out is "Writers Block". All in favor?

Get rid of your tail you monkey.:)

[username? tim?]

yeah i never got through dune it was too boring of a read after they started wandering in the desert but the part i read was good but i still like clarke more... and another thing you have to remember about lotr is that tolkien was writing it for himself because he couldn't find a book with a story he wanted to read so he wrote one and then after than it got published and he was in the army so he understood tactics and that made the story more believable like the side door at helms deep

[punkrock89]

I think Bush a little bit more like Stalin. A crazy man who locked up and silienced those who opposes his ideas (he did get rid of Colin Powell and CIA agents' careers have been ruined because he exposed them), and he doesnt seem to really have any friends (just "advisors"). But lately he has been comparing people who oppose him, to the same people who would try to appease the Nazis in WWII. And has also tried to compare WWII and the Nazis, to the War on Terrorism and terrorists. I think he IS Stalin reborn, because Stalin literally rewrote history to make his causes seem just, and Bush is basically doing the same thing by comparing modern terrorists to Nazis. He obviously needs a history lesson, along with many other lessons that he obviously missed in school (math, english, ect.), but thats another topic. Also like Stalin, Bush (tries) to controll the media (as much as he can, and often does a good job). Bush is also stocking up on bombs and soldiers to use in future wars that he has plans for. Oh, and like the Soviets in their later years, he invaded Afgahnistan and fought the same people, and had the same troubles (and fought against the same weapons WE gave them). And neither of them know/knew how to lead an Army/fight wars, thats why Stalin lost some 28 million people in WWII. But yeah, Id say Stalin all the way.

[ADRsk8boarder]

u want to see facts go to http://www.crooksandliars.com/, www.buzzflash.com (http://www.buzzflash.com), and http://www.firedoglake.com/ __wanna see rumsfeld and bush administration get reamed? here is keith oberman on the countdown talking about mr. rumsfelds speach on tuesday to the american legion and how people who say that we should not be in iraq r equall to the people who appeased the nazi... http://youtube.com/watch?v=SsEZRDaAM3I

[username? tim?]

go to www.godhatesgays.com (http://www.godhatesgays.com)

idk why but it has opinions too

[Dirtyjerseyboarder]

Maybe its just me but im gonna say that Hitler had a mass following wether it be out of fear, respect, or hypnosis. Bush has a mass following of people dont fear him, dont respect him, and he is in no way convincing. Bush has no power over his people and has little control over his government i dont see how hes in any way like Hitler

[username? tim?]

cept it's not his government yet it's still democracy... it's a crappy one but still

[Dirtyjerseyboarder]

i was getting more at the fact that his face represents our government being he is the pres and all

[ADRsk8boarder]

Bush has a mass following of people dont fear him, dont respect him, and he is in no way convincing.

r u serious then how did he win a second term the evangelicals love him

[punkrock89]

Yeah, Bush is a puppet and a pushover. He's the puppet of Cheyney, Rice, Rumsfeld, and all the other people who are really in power, including the corprate CEO's of Haliberton and the like. They picked him to be president because they knew he was the lovable idiot, who is a pushover, would do what he is told, and his daddy was president. Bush has done such a crap job with Iraq, even his DAD disagrees with him on how he handled it (but won't admit it right out in public, because even W is still his son, can you blame him though). But like Hitler, he is an a$$hole.

People are really to quick to compare people to Hitler and the Nazis. When in truth NO ONE is like the Nazis. Not even the Neo Nazis are like the Nazis, thats how f*cked up the real Nazis were.

And I think that the main reason why so many Republicans stand by the President isn't really because they think he's a great leader, but because they agree on SOME of the same issues. Lets face it, Bush sucks at leading. Wether being President of the US or of the Houston Astros, or one of his many failed buisnesses, Bush Jr. sucks at leading. I think that's a big problem though in American politics today, is people are so divided on issues, that they'd rather elect total deuche bags who they agree with on a couple issues, than elect someone who could do a great job at helping run the country. I'm very liberal (and will probably join the Green Party when I turn 18), but would deffinately vote for Republican, Senator John McCaine from Arizona. Even though I dont agree with him on several issues, I do believe that he is a great leader, and would do a good job. So when you vote, vote for who will be best to lead the country, not because he supported changing the name of French Fries to "Freedom Fries."

(I know, I got kinda off topic, but I had to get it off my chest).:grin:

[ADRsk8boarder]

i think we should make more things french, cause if u think about it i bet the french hate having some american food named after them

[NCC-1701]

Punkrock89 is right on; Shrub is a stooge, he was hand picked by the real kooks (Cheney, Rumsfeld and Wolfowitz namely) I did a little research after listening to a host on Air America Radio (progressive talk radio) and it my not be widely known, but these devils have been corrupting our democracy for a loooooong time! When President Ford became President after Nixon resigned, Donald Rumsfeld was Secretary of Defense, Cheney was Ford`s Chief of Staff and I forget what high level position Wolfowitz had. Here is what these creeps did way back then.....you will see a really creepy pattern going on here.....
In around 1972 or 3, President Nixon and Soviet leader Brezhneff (sp???) began the first series of nuclear arms talks since the Cold War began. These early treaties were called Detante (sp??) I assume a French word for peace or something? Anyway, it was the first time that both parties agreed to begin reducing nuclear weapons toward the goal peace between the two superpowers. Well, good old "Rummie and Dickie" would have none of this...."we can`t be having no damn peace with those evil Rooskies!" So they and Wolfowitz began to sabotage Nixon`s work and created a "commission" on the iminent dangers the Soviet Union posed (a bit like PNAC huh?) they claimed that the Soviets were developing new secret "weapons of mass destruction" and that all the arms talks were a subterfuge to stall for time to deploy these new weapons. Funny thing is, the CIA, DIA and NSA who were focussed 24/7 on the Soviet Union said these claims were fantasies and that their data showed the Soviet Union was in real trouble ecconomically and the best US strategy was a stalemate and that in a couple of decades the Soviet Union would collapse from within.....well, we all know who got that one right!
So leading up to the Iraq invasion, these same characters use the same playbook to mislead our government into invading Iraq claiming "the most deadly weapons known to man" and "the smoking gun will come in the form of a mushroom cloud" and we found......NOTHING. So I now have to ask why in the hell weould we beleive them this time with regard to Iran?
Reagan, while I did not agree with him, was way too strong for these guys to gain power. In fact Reagan refered to these people as "the crazies" and he did not want them to gain much power. So yeah, Shrub is the classic "Manchurian Candidate" for these people to forward their own agenda.

my 2 cents worth anyway!;)

[DragonUSMC]

I'll just say this... the millions of bio/chem weapons / warheads, clusters, rockets, missles, ICBMs, may not be the nukes everyone was looking for... but personally I'd rather be nuked then chem attacked. So if you think we found "nothing" then you are sadly mistaken.

I still think this thread is paranoia and propaganda machine driven, but one should seriously read all they can on Hitler and Bush before trying to make direct evaluations. And if you reseach online... make sure the source is also a non-biased site... it is the only way one can draw their own conclusions in an educated mannor.

[NCC-1701]

No.....its actually a secret meeting place for all us subversive JRR Tolkien geeks.....the Hobbits are going to stage a coup....hahaha!


Here is a good link (IMO) on the history of Hitler`s rise to power. It is kind of a "Readers Digest" version that condenses it down to a managable read.

http://www.historyplace.com/worldwar2/riseofhitler/index.htm?sa=X

Here is a quick link about their activities in the Ford administration....don`t know whether the source is biased or not...arent they all? the world is so polarized that anymore everything is either far right or far left.....bottom line is the factual timeline is what we want, just ignore a writer`s editorial comments....usually the skeleton of a story is factual and the editing dept. puts the "skin" on the story.

http://globalresearch.ca/index.php?context=viewArticle&code=HAA20060306&articleId=2067

Hey Dragon...I would be greatfull if you could steer me to some credible sources where I can learn about those agents found in Iraq you refered to. I don`t get why, if they were found, it would`nt have been reported as this would have vindicated the invasion in the public opinion. Not being a smartass....I really would like to know more about it.

[CustomRider13]

r u serious then how did he win a second term the evangelicals love him
lets not generalize the evangelicals. Lets go back and think about how he really won the election. Let me think.........hm.........I got it! He was running against Kerry!

[mujestycNH]

im ashamed to even be named george anymore :-(

[CustomRider13]

I'll just say this... the millions of bio/chem weapons / warheads, clusters, rockets, missles, ICBMs, may not be the nukes everyone was looking for... but personally I'd rather be nuked then chem attacked. So if you think we found "nothing" then you are sadly mistaken.

I still think this thread is paranoia and propaganda machine driven, but one should seriously read all they can on Hitler and Bush before trying to make direct evaluations. And if you reseach online... make sure the source is also a non-biased site... it is the only way one can draw their own conclusions in an educated mannor.
Took the words right out of my mouth. We didn't go to the middle east for nothing, this thread is paranoia propaganda and people need to research non biased sources and facts. I also think that there is no reason for someone to make any comparisons amongst two individuals unless they were trying to portray one as the other.

[THeJoNMAN]

Bush and Hitler are very close in blood i hear.http://i65.photobucket.com/albums/h224/THEJONMAN_2006/44031a92e965a28541c3cd22c235c3b3xy3.jpg

clinton was better.. at least he was straight forward.

[DragonUSMC]

^besides the fact that he put over 70% of the young military with families on welfare from cutting our pay... but yeah, wonderful...

[punkrock89]

Every politician talks about supporting our troops. But they never make any legislature that directly helps the men and women in the armed forces. And when politicians try to blast each other for not voting yes on military spending, its because that money would have gone to old, unneeded, and worthless military programs. Like back in the early-mid 90's when the Republicans wanted a huge raise in inteligance spending....... FOR THE COLD WAR!!! This was after the Soviet Union fell! Bottom line, 98% of all politicians are douche bags. And 100% of them never do the majority of the things they said they would during their campaign. With politicians, you judge them mostly by the good they do, and what they try to do, because they never get much accomplished, and constantly make mistakes.

[DragonUSMC]

^damn right... I was thinking about that on the long car ride home from WI... why cant we just get a normal person as pres... or in congress, and / or all govnt. positions like that. You know, people with common sense that will listen to all the points of view, research on their own and talk to real people.

Honestly these politicians cannot be the best we've got...

[ColoradoNeverSummer420]

Americans like you are the reason the rest of the world thinks we are *****s. Support your government; don’t use some internet propaganda film comparing our president to the craziest mother f ucker that lived in a long time. A better comparison would like Kim Jung Wing or what ever the dudes name is from North Korea and Hitler. If you don’t like what your government is doing help change it that’s the beauty of a democracy. Films like that by some professor who is banana sandwich loony is nothing but a low blow to every freedom loving American. Guys like that miss the 60's and want it to be all flower power, let's protest, smoke drugs, and have many STD filled orgies. They are way to far right for anyone’s good; some of the radical things crazies say have a huge negative impact on students. I don’t know I guess my point is if it’s so bad here move to France or where ever. I am just rambling now but any ways hope every one has a killer good season!

Dane

[snowboardnguy90]

no, you don't have to support your government.

you can support your country, but if your government is doing a **** job, say something about it.

[DragonUSMC]

^i think that was the point he was actually trying to make, but just chose the wrong phrasing. So from the rest of his rhetoric i pulled "support your govenment" = support your country. And you make a differnce by doing somthing about it. Which i fully agree with.

[Oceanblood]

LMAO That was great.
if hitler was still alive and there was one thing i could say to him it would be "so hows that art career going?"

[username? tim?]

no don't say **** cause when you say things you draw attention to yourself and when people know where you are and what your about it makes it harder for yourself
if you don't like your government change it and be quiet
i mean anarchy is the best form of government and democracy is probably the worst because it just pisses people off that are in your own country and there is too much fighting and when your country is fighting it makes it hard to do anything democracy is just asking for failure anarchy would be the best except people are too selfish for anarchy to ever work
selfless anarchy would be the best thing to ever happen to this world

actually i guess that selfless any form of government would be the best but i think anarchy would be the easiest to be selfless in

but since that'll never happen in this world i agree we should get a normal guy as president like the new robin williams movie
get a comedian cause they are the ones that say what they mean... it can't be a biased one though so that eliminates a lot of possibilities
eddie brill could probably do it

[snowboardnguy90]

no don't say **** cause when you say things you draw attention to yourself and when people know where you are and what your about it makes it harder for yourself
if you don't like your government change it and be quiet
i mean anarchy is the best form of government and democracy is probably the worst because it just pisses people off that are in your own country and there is too much fighting and when your country is fighting it makes it hard to do anything democracy is just asking for failure anarchy would be the best except people are too selfish for anarchy to ever work
selfless anarchy would be the best thing to ever happen to this world

actually i guess that selfless any form of government would be the best but i think anarchy would be the easiest to be selfless in

but since that'll never happen in this world i agree we should get a normal guy as president like the new robin williams movie
get a comedian cause they are the ones that say what they mean... it can't be a biased one though so that eliminates a lot of possibilities
eddie brill could probably do it


uhh... do you have any idea of how politics work?

but, it seems that you follow the beliefs of Thomas Hobbes, who says people are self centered and work together only for self gain, which i also believe...

as for how democracy is asking for failure, i don't see much sense in that.

[ADRsk8boarder]

i thought bill clinton yelling at chris wallace was great

[username? tim?]

in democracy (or ne other form of government) someone always has the power and power always currupts and in democracy there is more of a struggle for power than in other kinds in a selfless anarchy no one would have the power and selfless people don't look out for themselves but if other people were selfless too it wouldn't matter because some one would always have you back to make sure you get what you need and selfless people don't want power... so if there is no power no one can become currupted and if no one wants power no one will ever become currupted

no one will ever be happy with any government in this world though because someone will always want more for themselves

[ADRsk8boarder]

the best form of government is the constitutional monarch

[username? tim?]

except people still have power so it will become currupt
people are too much like people for anything to work continuously

[snowboardnguy90]

communism is actually perfect, on paper.

but the thing is, no government will make everyone happy, the point of government is to make the majority happy.

[CustomRider13]

Lets be real, anarchy will lead to chaos and communism does not work. If you think realistically, our system is the best.

[username? tim?]

anarchy won't lead to chaos it will lead to someone taking control and eventually work out exactly like it has and it's true comunism is a good idea
but if people keep thinking how they do democracy is best but it's obvious that it still sucks
the problem isn't how to make a good government with what we have
it's how to make good people with what we have
it's people that make everything bad because people will always look after themselves before everyone else because they have instincts that tell them to stay alive
so they will fight for their lives even when they don't have to

if you think about it most of the people on this planet give into their instincts
and if you think about that you see most people on this planet are animals because of it
so in that since we aren't better than any other animal on this planet

the difference is that we have the brain power to go against what our instincts tell us to do because we can think about what will happen after the action is carried through and what other animal does that?

[snowboardnguy90]

communism isn't a good idea, but it works on paper.

and for china.

[username? tim?]

see if it works on paper it's a good idea...but then if you try it and it becomes a bad idea it is no longer something to try

[CustomRider13]

anarchy won't lead to chaos it will lead to someone taking control and eventually work out exactly like it has and it's true comunism is a good idea
but if people keep thinking how they do democracy is best but it's obvious that it still sucks
the problem isn't how to make a good government with what we have
it's how to make good people with what we have
it's people that make everything bad because people will always look after themselves before everyone else because they have instincts that tell them to stay alive
so they will fight for their lives even when they don't have to

if you think about it most of the people on this planet give into their instincts
and if you think about that you see most people on this planet are animals because of it
so in that since we aren't better than any other animal on this planet

the difference is that we have the brain power to go against what our instincts tell us to do because we can think about what will happen after the action is carried through and what other animal does that?
What's the point of anarchy if it's just gonna go back to how it is?
I think Anarchy will lead to chaos because without a government there will be no laws for us to abide by and there will be no government to enforce them or protect us.
Communism is a dream, unrealistic. It sounds beautiful on paper but it does not harmonize with human nature. Maybe if we were all robots it will work.
Socialism would be a better choice then either of them....

[username? tim?]

the point of anarchy is that it would be the best form of government(or lack there of) if people made a concious effort to remain in anarchy it would work

i'm not saying there shouldn't be laws that are enforced i'm saying that no one should be personally assigned the job of it
and as for being protected if we tried to change human nature we could make people indifferent to their own comfort but caring about other people's instead
it would work no one has to look out for themselves because someone else is looking out for them and so no one suffers because of something they don't have, which in turn progresses us much farther than ne thing we could think of now
it has to be anarchy though it's the only way it would work

really this idea is the same as socialism or communism which as it's been said are great ideas...
the difference is that socialism and communism are still run by people and there are different power levels and so they will become corrupt
in the anarchy scenario however the people would be governed by an incorruptable idea and everyone would be incharge of making sure the laws are enforced
....and that's the only problem with it. for success it would call on people to be almost totally selfless to look out for the other man before themselves and that's why it or any other government won't work because the people are still selfish

metophor:

if you build something on sand without strengthening the foundation it will fall

we need to focus more on changing the people than changing how they are governed because if we remain how we are we can never build something that will last

[CustomRider13]

well that is a pleasant thought Tim, but it sounds more like a dream.
Also, communism is not a good system. Socialism isn't bad. The way we are is just fine. There's many reasons why I choose democracy over any other system but I'm kind of tired, so I am not gonna get into more details right now (12 am).

[username? tim?]

lol well some of the most important people in history started with a dream
i never want to be remembered by people though
i don't think the way we are is just fine because we don't live anywhere close to our potential

[CustomRider13]

I'm saying, democracy is a fine system and I'm happy with it. No system is perfect, so choose the best from what you got.
What I meant by calling anarchy a dream is that it's unrealistic. I don't think you could incorporate that with the people of our time. It would pretty much take us back to barbaric times. We need organization in our world, not disorder. It protects and keeps us in line. Without them, it would be chaotic.

[username? tim?]

but with how much we know and how many people we have we could survive in barbarac times even with no technology we depend on technology because we have it if it was taken from us we still have the knowledge to survive

lol it might be that my idea of organisation is stange but i'm happier than most of the people i know so it can't be totally bad

but it's not likely that we could evolve to where we are now by chance... now there is either a god or we got lucky

which means that we could do this too either people could find a god or atleast live by most of the codes laid down in the bible (exclude the gay marraige thing cause we'll never get passed that) because if you take the religion out of the bible it is still the best way to live and if you think about what it says you can see that there would never be any pain cause by things people do and the only pain would be when we lose people

or we could just get lucky again and move in small steps
i mean if we just stopped using big farm equipment and thinking of money as the only form of currency you could drop the unemployment rate drastically and raise the quality of life for countless people. if people traded food for something else (we aren't short of food) or worked just for the sake of working

it could happen i used to underestimate people but i know what we could do we just need a different mindset

[punkrock89]

Anarchy is nothing like Communism. Communism has a strict governmental controll, Anarchy is no governmental controll. And neither would ever work (in the long run). Communism was a good idea, but would never work in real life, people are too greedy to give up a large portion (or all) of thier hard earned money, and give it to people who didn't have to work nearly as hard (and its not fair). Anarchy would never work either, sure a lot of people won't go crazy, but if there's no government, what's to stop someone robbing a 7 Eleven other than a shot gun to the face? Things would go out of control, and would go quickly into mass chaos. If people in LA can't even handle themselves when a crooked cop beats up a black man, what makes you think 180 Million people in the US won't go crazy as well. And with Anarchy, there wouldn't be a government to stop riots, or to rebuild cities after words. So if you really think about it, Communism and Anarchy are both really dumb ideas. The key to having a sucessful government is to have one that's in between the two extremes (like a represenative democracy, which we have).

[NCC-1701]

Agreed; True Marxism is a decent philosophy, but as we have seen from history, it never stays true to the ideal. Very soon, the same gredy, power crazed people who ruin any form of government screw up Communism too. I agree our Representative Republic based on a Constitution which protects the minority from the majority is about the best compromise. I do see powerfull interests eroding our system and steering it more towards Fascism or Oligarchy. I would like to see stronger checks and balances put back upon the Executive branch and I think we would benefit from some Socialism added into our ecconomic system..IE a single payer based national health care system and a viable pension program through bolstering Social Security.

[punkrock89]

Completely agree. Deffinately need more checks and balances, and should have more of some kind of a social welfare system.

[username? tim?]

i think we would all benefit from a gunshot to the face because people aren't willing to change or shut the f*** up and take it in the ass so nothing is ever going to get better so i don't see how democracy is a better idea than any of the other ones, because in the longer run it doesn't last either so maybe we should just blow up the world so we can all be happy

[Dirtyjerseyboarder]

i think we would all benefit from a gunshot to the face because people aren't willing to change or shut the f*** up and take it in the ass so nothing is ever going to get better so i don't see how democracy is a better idea than any of the other ones, because in the longer run it doesn't last either so maybe we should just blow up the world so we can all be happy

you sound like a big fcuk up you should probly just TO yourself

[shank]

i think we would all benefit from a gunshot to the face because people aren't willing to change or shut the f*** up and take it in the ass so nothing is ever going to get better so i don't see how democracy is a better idea than any of the other ones
You must be in a really sad place right now.

Id say people are willing to change. Change is a slow process however... And a non-existent process if you want people to be contorted into your own little utopian society.

You were saying forget about currency and go back to bartering? Yah lets just go against what the world has been using for an economic system for the last 2000+ years. Lets do it tomorrow. You start first.

If you do want to barter, go to a supermarket and offer them your services for some food. And what services do you have to offer to the world? Mind you that bartering happens all the time in the world today, It is called "Trade of Service".

If you are so set on making a change and all that, do your part. Go become a Freegan. That is even better than bartering right?

in the longer run it doesn't last either so maybe we should just blow up the world so we can all be happy
Whos to say? Democracy could last... we havent seen its fall. In a long enough timeline everything "dies" at some point. Democracy and every other form of government may have to adapt and change to new environments and eventually become new forms of government altogether.

There is no way that a society without government would work. Human Nature wouldnt allow it. Hierarchies of leadership are formed in almost every mammalian species. So... in essence the lack of "government" I would say is impossible.

[CustomRider13]

why do you guys have to be so harsh..........let's just have a conversation or a debate and not bash anybody for their opinion. He has a right to say what he thinks.
Tim, please let us know how democracy doesn't last and tell us an example of a society that has failed with democracy. Please use examples from history to debate your argument and not what you have heard in the media.
About anarchy and communism, it cannot be encorporated in to our society so I think you should just drop it. They are pleasant to think about, but odviously Anarchy won't last and communism has failed many times.

[snwbrder3384]

trust me, those posts were not harsh. they were simply stating what was wrong with his posts

[punkrock89]

i think we would all benefit from a gunshot to the face because people aren't willing to change or shut the f*** up and take it in the ass so nothing is ever going to get better so i don't see how democracy is a better idea than any of the other ones, because in the longer run it doesn't last either so maybe we should just blow up the world so we can all be happy


I think a reason why people are unwilling to change, is in the American culture. People are too lazy, and don't care about the government, or what happens in it. Some of this has to do with their up bringing, of parents who themselves never got into politics, and so growing up, they were never really exposed to politics either.

Just because one country has a society that is so lazy, they wont even take a few minutes out of their day once every 2 years to vote for the person who's suppose to be representing in their government, doesn't mean that Democracy isn't good system. Sure our government is kinda in the sh*tter right now, but that doesn't mean that people can't vote new people in. Hell, the American people are about to do just that in November. 1/3 of the senators and all of the represenatives are up for reelection. So if you just take a couple minutes out of your day come November, we can drastically change what is happening right now.

[CustomRider13]

trust me, those posts were not harsh. they were simply stating what was wrong with his posts
"you sound like a big fcuk up you should probly just TO yourself"
"You must be in a really sad place right now."
I think those comments were harsh. No need to be a d***, just argue your point. That's all I'm saying.

[ADRsk8boarder]

game of politics dish it out gotta be able to take it

[rosstheboss2009]

finnaly a place were i can compare bush and hitler w/o being ridiculed! anywayz there both nazis, jk.

[CustomRider13]

game of politics dish it out gotta be able to take it
lol........why do you even make comments like this? You need to learn how to stop sticking your nose in just to stir arguments kid. It's a discussion, not s*** talking. Maybe when you mature and get more educated you'll understand.

[CustomRider13]

finnaly a place were i can compare bush and hitler w/o being ridiculed! anywayz there both nazis, jk.
haha, we went over this in the first part of this thread, I believe. You can't compare Bush and Hitler.

[shank]

"you sound like a big fcuk up you should probly just TO yourself"
"You must be in a really sad place right now."
I think those comments were harsh. No need to be a d***, just argue your point. That's all I'm saying.
You are funny.

I was just saying to have such a warped opinion that the world should just be destroyed... must be a product of the environment he is in... or not. :)

I think you are probably taking more offense to things than "username? tim?" would...

Besides... Hes a big boy... He can handle himself. Right?

[snowboardnguy90]

anyone ever hear the song "little tiny mustache" by stephen lynch??

[ilikesnow]

is that Jello Biafra by any chance narrarating it?
cus if i could vote i'd vote him president, if he even gets on the ballot this time...

[ADRsk8boarder]

lol........why do you even make comments like this? You need to learn how to stop sticking your nose in just to stir arguments kid. It's a discussion, not s*** talking. Maybe when you mature and get more educated you'll understand.

cause its fun to do

[ADRsk8boarder]

and when u pull ur penis our of bushs ass then we can talk politics

[username? tim?]

i can't really name any civilizations that were democracies that have fell or what ever...(i think rome(the empire) and athens might have been but idk so i'm not saying for sure) but i know we are and i know that people have been pissed off at other people since the begining of this country and i don't see how that is much better than failure of democracy but the human race has failed so anything that it comes up with is destined to fail

and no i'm not in a sad place (i'm actaully a happy person) i was just putting my ideas out there... just because i think everyone should be shot in the face (or put to death any other way) so we can get some peace doesn't mean that i'm gonna do it or think other people should do it i was just saying that in light of the conversation that was happening then

and all you people shooting down my ideas (which have aparantly been very quotable) didn't read the part about needing to try more to change how people think and see the world than trying to make a government to control them and i'm not saying you need to force them into your views i'm saying we need to get them to realize a more peaceful way of living

although at this point it's more like breaking addictions (or changing human nature what ever you wanna call it)

and some one please tell me what kind of environment i'm in that's making me think all these crazy thoughts cause maybe you're right and i'm just an idiot

i'm just confused as to how people are arguing about me online and i don't even know what they are talking about

[rosstheboss2009]

i can't really name any civilizations that were democracies that have fell or what ever...(i think rome(the empire) and athens might have been but idk so i'm not saying for sure) but i know we are and i know that people have been pissed off at other people since the begining of this country and i don't see how that is much better than failure of democracy b