View Full Version : Ipods Blow....Get Creative Zen Micros!
Jingo
05-05-2006, 08:41 PM
hiya!
im sick of Ipods dominance for an inferior product!
Mine broke....friends have broken...my mums broke.....Itunes is a right little hitler program telling you what you can and cant do.
Anyway i swapped over to a Creative micro Zen last year and little fella is still going strong! the standard head phones even offer a bit of bass unlike the pod ones!
Seriously next time your pods bust, consider a Creative Zen Micro seriously there'll surprise you!
p.s. there also good for snowboarding as if you carry it in the nipple pocket of your jacket they dont bust when u go face first!!
nosnowhere
05-08-2006, 06:07 AM
My ipod has never busted nor have my friends. iTunes doesn't bother me one bit.
Nephyte
05-08-2006, 07:07 AM
I and just about everyone I know who has a mp3 player has an ipod. We're all happy with ours. I've taken mine snowboarding with me and I fall a lot. It hasn't broken yet, and I'm a pretty fat bastard falling on it.
Jingo
05-08-2006, 06:18 PM
I dont believe Ipods gettin off scot free here!
But anyway im just telling you viable alternatives...should yours break :P
nosnowhere
05-09-2006, 07:42 AM
Hooray for the freedom to choose!!!
karen
05-09-2006, 07:46 AM
my old ipod was a piece of ****, a 40 gb second generation or something...maybe 3rd...the battery died after like 2 hours and it was otherwise bad. then, i got an ipod video. haha. it works better i have to say....and i got it for free because my uncle works for apple, but if that wasn't the case i might look into something else next time.
my ipod is my friend...i can take it every where...lame classes, work, the gym, boarding...it is great...if i am mad...it also is mad, if i am happy it is chipper...but then again anything that would hold all my music would be the same way....oh well, i like my ipod.
Snow Wolf
05-09-2006, 12:13 PM
Ipods are great from what I hear....but if you`re on a budget, I love my RCA Lyra...it was $49.00 at Wally World and holds the super cheap SD media cards any size Takes a AAA battery that lasts about 14 hours of play time. The thing is bullet proof and no spinning hard drive. The thing I like about it is you plug it in to your computers USB port and it shows up as an external drive...you just drag and drop the MP3 files and its done no conversions, no fuss...take extra memmory cards too....although on my 1GB SD card I have about 200 songs at CD quality so plenty of music for a few days riding.....anyway a cheap solution and if you do loose it in the pow or break it, you don`t have to open a vein cause it its cheap.
DPancoast
05-09-2006, 01:51 PM
I never faceplant
viggo-rolig
07-21-2006, 05:37 PM
i have a Shuffle, and that compleatly crashed on me...for no apparent reason. i dunno, but i really love iTunes, and the way it works, can you use other mp3 players with iTunes? frankly, i hate windows media player, and most other media players...
I'm a big fan of Itunes as well. windows media player and realplayer just suck.
I have a shuffle, and have it in my frotn pants pocket. Never had anything go wrong with it yet, pluss the battery lasts forever and only takes like an hour to charge.
I think I got an extra special battery or sumthing. seriously, it lasts like 20 hours.
snowboarding_bear
07-21-2006, 06:09 PM
i have theipod video and i love it...it was about 450$ n worth every penny...nothin ever goes wrong w/ it...ive dropped it and dropped it in water(and quickly picked it out) and its still in perfect running order
DragonUSMC
07-21-2006, 06:20 PM
Ipods are worthless crap. Join the apple cult! I find it funny that people with Ipods are so defensive about them. Itunes is a worthless program which has so many scripts embedded into it. Good luck when every single song and everything you do with your Ipod is recorded and sent to apple. If they are ever down on $$ they can sell the list to RIAA and take a part out of your fine.
With so many other great alternatives from creative, SanDisk, etc. I still find it amazing that people fall into the marketing scheme so easily. www.pricewatch.com go look at the alternatives.
Oh and when you Ipod fanatics' batteries die... remember they are not replaceable. Ha! GG apple... way to have a continuous customer base.
real MP3 players dont need extra programs to transfer songs... Real MP3 players act like what they are, removeable disks...
sensa e250 half the price of a nano and 10 times better.
Samantiks
07-21-2006, 06:48 PM
Never had an IPOD, so I'm not about to dis. HOWEVER, I freakin' LUV my Sony Minidisc! It's the HiDef version so the disks themselves can hold up to one Gig. It also uses a single 'AA' battery so the battery life is pretty good (and with rechargeables, there's no extra cost). For me this was a big selling point, having known a few ppl who got hosed with the non-replaceable IPOD batts. Also, they are really unlimited as far as space - when you fill up one disk, you go on to the next - none of that transferring back and forth to your harddrive to change songs or free up space. The hi-def disks will hold about 40 full length songs so it I can usually go all day on one disk. PLUS - you can get minidisks that will record & edit live music as well as support picture and video files to be saved on the disk (yeah, you still gotta watch them from the computer, but then you get a full sized screen). Just my thoughts...
i have a 3rd generation ipod and i love that thing. i take it everywhere. mine is getting a bit dated, so when it busts i'll probably replace it with a video ipod.
with the video ipods (well, all of the harddrive based ipods) you can run linux on them... you can run all sorts of games (simple ones) but i've seen pacman, galaga, etc. you can change the screen and interface... i think that's kinda neat.
re: the battery thing... the battery is replaceable, but not just any moron can do it. it requires some work, and i'm sure it voids the warranty, but there are better batteries than the ones apple makes that sell for a lot less than having apple replace the battery.
i may be a bit biased because i'm part of this "apple cult" and all of the computers i use at work and at home are macs... but almost everyone i know, whether or not they use other apple products, love their ipods.
freestylefrenzy
07-21-2006, 10:44 PM
i love my RCA Lyra also. After i lost my dell jukebox on hellgate at hunter mountain i was pissed. i was also on a budget. my moms friend works at radioshcack and said these things are just as good as ipods are. to make a long story short, buy a LYRA!!!
Southside Hero
07-21-2006, 10:55 PM
i had a shuffle too till it crapped out on me for no reason, so i bought one of those new 30 gig video ones and i havent had a problem with it. its accually pretty tough...although it still has to go through this winter so i dont want to say anything to soon :-P
DragonUSMC
07-22-2006, 02:02 AM
re: the battery thing... the battery is replaceable, but not just any moron can do it. it requires some work, and i'm sure it voids the warranty, but there are better batteries than the ones apple makes that sell for a lot less than having apple replace the battery.
i may be a bit biased because i'm part of this "apple cult" and all of the computers i use at work and at home are macs... but almost everyone i know, whether or not they use other apple products, love their ipods.
yes you can take replace the battery... and you have to sever it from the motherboard of the Ipod... so good luck with that. I'm talking about replacing my Li battery by removing a couple screws.
Work must be VERY long for you if you have to use a mac all day =(
Work must be VERY long for you if you have to use a mac all day =(
nope... i'm a graphic designer. and i choose to use a mac (G5)... we have 3 macs here for the designers, and all the rest of the machines are PCs... and whaddaya know, IT is never coming to fix our computers! and when i get home, i get to use my G4 powerbook. i wouldn't want to use anything else. i used a PC for 11 years before switching (but i still have to use them from time to time currently) - assembling, disassembling, building them from scratch... command line DOS, windows starting with 3.1 until XP... full on nerd status. and i know better now. but i'd really much rather not get into some debate about PCs vs macs, because both of them are good in their own ways. :tongue:
kreator
07-22-2006, 05:06 AM
zens are great man
ipods kind of suck
the new zen video or what ever it is is better then the ipod video and i think its cheeper
DragonUSMC
07-22-2006, 03:49 PM
nope... i'm a graphic designer. and i choose to use a mac (G5)... we have 3 macs here for the designers, and all the rest of the machines are PCs... and whaddaya know, IT is never coming to fix our computers! and when i get home, i get to use my G4 powerbook. i wouldn't want to use anything else. i used a PC for 11 years before switching (but i still have to use them from time to time currently) - assembling, disassembling, building them from scratch... command line DOS, windows starting with 3.1 until XP... full on nerd status. and i know better now. but i'd really much rather not get into some debate about PCs vs macs, because both of them are good in their own ways. :tongue:
Damnit i hate you, I was hoping you wouldnt mention graphic design or video editing. =( because yeah, I have a duel G5 for my business... i dont admit it, but when you're using it to make $$ you have to get what works best, and you really cant touch a mac when it comes to those things.
I still hate macs though. =P
Vicky
07-22-2006, 05:22 PM
Eh, I've heard mixed reviews for the Zens, so I just bought an Ipod. And mine's still going strong.
Southside Hero
07-22-2006, 07:19 PM
my ex had a zen and i thought it was pretty cool but i never heard anything about them so i bought pods...so expensive.
I still hate macs though. =P
hey, it's okay. when i went to E3 a couple years ago, it immedilately made me want to build a PC to play all those newfangled games that were coming out... because they sure as hell weren't gonna be coming out for macs anytime soon!
DragonUSMC
07-23-2006, 09:50 PM
hey, it's okay. when i went to E3 a couple years ago, it immedilately made me want to build a PC to play all those newfangled games that were coming out... because they sure as hell weren't gonna be coming out for macs anytime soon!
Wait i thought mac had all those cool games... you know like Zorg, breakout.... super break out... ... photoshop.
lol
i give to you the "Mac Gamer" I'm sure you've seen it but its always funny. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xiAgrrwL_mk
ADRsk8boarder
07-23-2006, 10:00 PM
all my friends have broken theres at least once thats why when i broke mine i just got a creative zen touch
kreator
07-23-2006, 10:09 PM
ya my ipod headphone jack stoped working
then they wouldnt fix it because i had a dent in it
La Honda
07-24-2006, 05:16 PM
Dragon, my dad would love you :tongue: He hates Apple!
I have a Creative (maybe it's that zen stuff?). It's pretty decent, but I wish it held more songs (usually 50+/-). I haven't used out on the slopes yet, but I've dropped it, stepped on it, flung it, etc, and it's held up :happy: I love it's size too. Do Ipods let you listen to the radio too? I was wondering that since I got my Creative, which does.
ADRsk8boarder
07-24-2006, 06:05 PM
no ipods dont u have to get converter thingie to attach to it and it doesnt work most the time
Wait i thought mac had all those cool games... you know like Zorg, breakout.... super break out... ... photoshop.
lol
i give to you the "Mac Gamer" I'm sure you've seen it but its always funny. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xiAgrrwL_mk
lol i've actually never seen that before... my coworkers send me stuff like the brokeback mac thing, but i've never seen that. it's funny, though... especially in the end, when he's saying those games you quoted.
DragonUSMC
07-24-2006, 11:39 PM
lol i've actually never seen that before... my coworkers send me stuff like the brokeback mac thing, but i've never seen that. it's funny, though... especially in the end, when he's saying those games you quoted.
that is why i've never admitted to using the duel G5 Its like I'm still in the closet... or denial... but those are kinda the same arent they... =P
osirisofwraiths
08-01-2006, 09:19 PM
my only beef with my zen micro is that ive had the headphone jack die out on two of em... but besides that i like em much better than ipods
nj_swede
08-14-2006, 11:57 PM
I don't know about the 30 and 60 gb Ipods, but I have a mini and those things are super durable. Like for some reason I always drop it but its never harmed it. I really hate Itunes though.
bullsillama
08-21-2006, 08:40 AM
my only beef with my zen micro is that ive had the headphone jack die out on two of em... but besides that i like em much better than ipods
I have never had an ipod, i have a black zen micro, it is awsome. i too have had the headphone jack bust on my, but its cuzz my friend ripped out the headphones but i just love the thing every1 should have a zen!!!
szaarh
08-21-2006, 08:43 AM
iPods are over rated
that might be comign from that fact that i broke mine.
piece of sh!t mac products [even though they have amazing programs]
my cousin told me to get a creative dealy thing. and i think im gonna. good stuff. as longas it can hold about 32 gigs and play good tunes and for a decent $$ im there.
bullsillama
08-21-2006, 09:02 AM
my only beef with my zen micro is that ive had the headphone jack die out on two of em... but besides that i like em much better than ipods
iPods are over rated
that might be comign from that fact that i broke mine.
piece of sh!t mac products [even though they have amazing programs]
my cousin told me to get a creative dealy thing. and i think im gonna. good stuff. as longas it can hold about 32 gigs and play good tunes and for a decent $$ im there.
http://creative.com/products/product.asp?category=213&subcategory=214&product=14331
szaarh
08-21-2006, 10:46 AM
i liek the zen vision : m anyone got it? is it as amazing as it seems?
szaarh
08-21-2006, 10:47 AM
haha what do you know thats the link bill sent. ive been looking at that but havent yet seen it in liek stores so acaully get to try it.
seems liek a winner though
forumrider9753
08-21-2006, 04:14 PM
But itunes is such a good program and it's so easy that anyone can use it.
username? tim?
08-21-2006, 04:34 PM
i want family members at apple but i have a shuffle and you can get more bass out of the head phones if you preset the eq of all the songs in your library to rock
username? tim?
08-21-2006, 04:45 PM
Never had an IPOD, so I'm not about to dis. HOWEVER, I freakin' LUV my Sony Minidisc! It's the HiDef version so the disks themselves can hold up to one Gig. It also uses a single 'AA' battery so the battery life is pretty good (and with rechargeables, there's no extra cost). For me this was a big selling point, having known a few ppl who got hosed with the non-replaceable IPOD batts. Also, they are really unlimited as far as space - when you fill up one disk, you go on to the next - none of that transferring back and forth to your harddrive to change songs or free up space. The hi-def disks will hold about 40 full length songs so it I can usually go all day on one disk. PLUS - you can get minidisks that will record & edit live music as well as support picture and video files to be saved on the disk (yeah, you still gotta watch them from the computer, but then you get a full sized screen). Just my thoughts...
i've had one of those... i fell on it and pretty much gave myself a deadleg for a week and it broke but the sonic stage program sucks assssssss!! cause you can't move music ne where else on your harddrive so when i broke it i tried to get another one but had to get a shuffle instead which is pretty sweet i had one break but it was my computers fault and i got another one and the same thing happened but i figured out how to get it to work but it was a best buy so the original one was a 512 mb one and i got an upgrade to 1 gig cause by that time it was the same price by then. and i haven't had problems since and for those of you that hate ipods (which you can change the battery out of by the way i prefer not having a battery that can fall out) get energizer rechargable batteries cause they last forever in mp3s mine lasted about 2 weeks in my minidisk and i listened to that when ever i rode... but you can't get smaller than the ipod shuffle which is nice cause it's really hard to break and it doesn't get in the way at all
username? tim?
08-21-2006, 04:48 PM
and another thing with the 1gb mini disks the player costs 160 and the disks cost 20 so you can have 2 gigs of music for like 200 or buy a cheaper ipod and get 20 gigs for the same price (which is good if you have about that much on your computer and don't wanna have to do anything but charge your player) and if you get it at best buy and get the replacement plan you can just take it back if it breaks as long as it doesn't look deliberate
cliffdream
08-29-2006, 01:10 AM
ya i had a mp3 fror a little bit but i must say i love my ipod its my best friend and i ahve no problems with it
szaarh
08-29-2006, 06:23 PM
ya i had a mp3 fror a little bit but i must say i love my ipod its my best friend and i ahve no problems with it
I loved mine too. just don't loose or warrenty. cause that happened to me and then the hard drive gets scratched and that's like $400 down the toilet.
ADRsk8boarder
08-30-2006, 04:16 AM
get a nano 4 gig cause they dont break cause there flash and not hard drive thats proabably the best thing out there
I<3Snowboarding
08-30-2006, 04:20 AM
Sorry if this has been asked, but how many songs does it hold about?
ADRsk8boarder
08-30-2006, 04:28 AM
2000 two thousand
szaarh
08-30-2006, 06:24 AM
nanos are to tiny to my liking.
has 5000 on my ipod
ADRsk8boarder
09-01-2006, 01:33 AM
yea they r small and write now on my zen i filled it to 4500 it would hold 500 but i set the quality to the highest setting when it downloads which takes up more space
szaarh
09-01-2006, 01:35 AM
yea they r small and write now on my zen i filled it to 4500 it would hold 500 but i set the quality to the highest setting when it downloads which takes up more space
what kind of zen do you have?
and guessing 30 GB.?
thedude
09-01-2006, 01:40 AM
i have a micro chip in my head that plays DragonForce's song "through fire and flame" over and over again in my head. who needs an Ipod when oyu can listen to speed metal at it's finest, and with two guitar players that can play intune wiht eachother (which is proof that hell has frozen over)
ADRsk8boarder
09-01-2006, 02:42 AM
20 gb zen touch
szaarh
09-01-2006, 03:17 AM
oh i was looking at the 30 gb zen vision:m i think it was.
jibtastic
09-02-2006, 09:07 PM
my ipod broke :( so i bought a new one and it got stolen out of my locker :( but i still love ipods
Type_0
09-02-2006, 09:11 PM
ipods are usefull when you actualy do have a 30G+ music library.
szaarh
09-03-2006, 02:21 AM
ipods are usefull when you actualy do have a 30G+ music library.
and and when you have a that and it breaks and you loose all you music. ya feel like slicing-n-dicing
or at least in my situation.
all its good for is liek throwing it at someone cause its like a brick [old 40g]
boarderaholic
09-05-2006, 02:09 AM
I hate my Nano with a freaking passion right now. The battery sucks, as I am charging it up to 4 times a day, the hold button doesn't work, it is badly scratched up from normal day to day useage even though I actually TRIED to keep this thing from getting scratched and a whole butt load of other problems that I can't be bothered to list. I had a Creative Muvo before...and boy do I regret getting rid of it.
ADRsk8boarder
09-05-2006, 02:20 AM
how old is ur nano
ilikesnow
09-05-2006, 02:27 AM
i had a zen micro.
it broke.
for no reason.
just kinda stopped working.
i bought an ipod.
i didn't break.
username? tim?
09-05-2006, 02:28 AM
where do you guys get all this money?
boarderJEN
09-05-2006, 02:42 AM
i have a mini and i like it
ilikesnow
09-05-2006, 04:08 AM
it was 200 dollars for the creative thing,and i bought that like a yr ago, and i saved up, so i had a bunch of money,
and i bought the warranty thing, and so this summer when it broke they sent me 200 dollars in credit,
and the ipod is what 300? plus tax and warranty it came to like 380. so i think i borrowed money from my mom. idk, but its called a job and living at home.
Type_0
09-05-2006, 04:28 PM
and and when you have a that and it breaks and you loose all you music. ya feel like slicing-n-dicing
or at least in my situation.
all its good for is liek throwing it at someone cause its like a brick [old 40g]
dont leave everything just on your ipod, back it up on cds, and dont touch them
gata love watching bevis and butthead on my ipod too :-P
boarderaholic
09-05-2006, 07:10 PM
how old is ur nano
I got it at the end of February. And the "hold" feature is broken, and it makes me want to rip my hair out right now!
szaarh
09-05-2006, 09:58 PM
dont leave everything just on your ipod, back it up on cds, and dont touch them
gata love watching bevis and butthead on my ipod too :-P
if only i had that many cd.s or that external harddrive. or whatthey are called.
bluemtrider
09-18-2006, 09:42 PM
the creative zen vision:m is so awsome. its like the ipod video but so much easier to use with windows so u dont have to wait all your time converting video because it supports so many types. plus it even comes with a free video converter. defiently the way to go
szaarh
09-18-2006, 09:50 PM
the creative zen vision:m is so awsome. its like the ipod video but so much easier to use with windows so u dont have to wait all your time converting video because it supports so many types. plus it even comes with a free video converter. defiently the way to go
that pretty durable?
thinging abotu getting one of those but havent gotten any feedback from people.
Jenyus425
09-22-2006, 02:53 AM
and the ipod is what 300? plus tax and warranty it came to like 380.
the new 30GB videos are only 250. tax would only be about 20 bux or so and thats mainly only in CA that they tax u. and the 1 yr warranty is free. if u had to pay all that u were ripped off. ipods are the most proven and are at the top of all professional reviews. they are the the smallest and best looking. creative has some pretty good ones but their interface isnt nearly as smooth and logical as the ipod. plus, apple's got the new 8GB nano. creative is to the ipod as windows is to mac. everyone copies apple products and says that their better and they hav some great inovation that apples already had for a year or so. if ur on a budget then get a used ipod. iv had 4 ipods (a 2nd gen 10GB, a 20GB 4th gen with color screen, 4GB nano, and 30GB video) and theyv all been great.
username? tim?
09-22-2006, 05:37 AM
idk windows isn't really good but it works as long as you aren't trying to do too much with it
Ok, I need to completely dissagree with what has been said. Creative Zens are ****. Two of My friends were "anti-Ipod" people, they both bought Creative Zens. One of my friends broke his within a week when it fell out of his pocket. My other friend's randomly stopped working after about two months of use. He got a replacement Zen, and it broke within another 6 months.
Ok, first off, let me say, I do NOT take good care of my things, I'm just bad that way, and I have had my shuffle for over a year. I have thrown it into the wall more than once, dropped it onto concrete more times than I can count, taken hard slams on it while skating, and Iv'e used it in the rain, and it has gotten soaking wet. It still works fine. One of my friends got a Nano after his second Zen broke, and he's been using it over a year.
Here is also a site I found a while ago about the quality of Ipods: http://arstechnica.com/reviews/hardware/nano.ars/3
DragonUSMC
09-22-2006, 06:07 PM
again... Ipod use itunes. Personally i dont like spyware programs that report all my operations everytime i connect to it. My music is my music. Sandisk e250's works just like a removeable drive. Click and drag... thats it. My music, my mp3 player, my computer... apple, RIAA, etc. dont need to know my business.
Spyware? Iv'e never heard of I-tunes having spyware on it.
DragonUSMC
09-22-2006, 06:46 PM
depends on your definition of spyware i guess. Itunes does log all actions and retains lic. info for all your activities. You know, because that information is important to the companies.
thats secondary anyway. If you must make use of a seperate program in which to load your files on to your mp3 player and then not be able to transfer files you rightfully own to different locations, then its pretty much crap.
I dont care what MP3 players people get. There are hundreds out there better then ipods, and all of them allow you your freedom to use your devices in any manor you see fit. Usually made by companies who specialize in this sort of thing. Anyway, make your own decisions... But I'm not going to be forced to use crap programs to do what should be a simple task.
cliffdream
09-22-2006, 06:55 PM
no u cant use other mp3 players
but they have cam put with all new gnerations of ipods so the shuffles are gonna be rally cheap check ebay you can find em for like 20
cliffdream
09-22-2006, 06:57 PM
hah i replied to a thread about a year ago sorry
snwbrder3384
09-23-2006, 04:50 AM
second me for sandisk, and anyway, your shuffle and nano are flash bases memory, where the zen and ipod are hard drive, hard drives have moving parts in them that can break where flash based mp3 players are like RAM , its a chip wiht no moving parts thats why they dont break as often
Jenyus425
09-23-2006, 09:11 AM
depends on your definition of spyware i guess. Itunes does log all actions and retains lic. info for all your activities. You know, because that information is important to the companies.
thats secondary anyway. If you must make use of a seperate program in which to load your files on to your mp3 player and then not be able to transfer files you rightfully own to different locations, then its pretty much crap.
I dont care what MP3 players people get. There are hundreds out there better then ipods, and all of them allow you your freedom to use your devices in any manor you see fit. Usually made by companies who specialize in this sort of thing. Anyway, make your own decisions... But I'm not going to be forced to use crap programs to do what should be a simple task.
u dont hav to use itunes for ur ipod. before i knew how to use itunes i used realplayer and it worked fine for updating my songs.
i dont think that itunes is spyware. that just sounds like a "its mac and thus i dont like it" kinda thing.
Jenyus425
09-23-2006, 09:13 AM
second me for sandisk, and anyway, your shuffle and nano are flash bases memory, where the zen and ipod are hard drive, hard drives have moving parts in them that can break where flash based mp3 players are like RAM , its a chip wiht no moving parts thats why they dont break as often
now that a company has released a 32GB and a 64GB USB flash drive the same size as a normal thumb drive, an ipod with a solid state drive may not be too far away
ridecrazy4life
09-23-2006, 12:29 PM
My Ipod has never busted because I have it in a tough skin type of thing on it and i take a lot of face plants.
DragonUSMC
09-23-2006, 05:47 PM
that just sounds like a "its mac and thus i dont like it" kinda thing.
ummm actally its been ripped apart by a few computer programmers I know. I am no computer genius... but if 2 guys netting over 260k a year from their programming tell me its a bad thing, I will listen to them.
Jenyus425
09-23-2006, 06:49 PM
ummm actally its been ripped apart by a few computer programmers I know. I am no computer genius... but if 2 guys netting over 260k a year from their programming tell me its a bad thing, I will listen to them.
i stand corrected. just outta curiosity, what did they find out about it?
DragonUSMC
09-23-2006, 08:34 PM
They said they didnt like the amount of scripting written in the program that encoded and retainded download information and then set it up to an outbound file that would execute upon log-on to the server.
They used a bunch of like big programming words that i really have no idea what it ment so they just said "its like spyware kinda" So thats why i call it spyware... its the best decription i can give =( srry.
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