Enough about Foreign Policy, What About Everything Going On In America?

[TheReverend]

America is a capitalist run country. Capitalism forces the rich into power while keeping the poor in poverty, leaving 80% of America in the middle class range that the current goverment can't profit off of. This "surplus population" is kept in its place through corporate exploitation of the money the middle class earns as well as keeping them in fear (ex: "terrorism") which makes way for laws like those in the Patriot Act, further allowing the population to be controlled. We aren't living free, we're living in fear of forces we created and allowing them to run our lives.

im not an anarchist, i just want the bull**** to stop.

[Snowcat pat]

While trying to sound intelligent and well informed, you have no clue what your talking about.
Youve got the right idea but your way off base with your capitalism views.

[TheReverend]

i only know what affects me and what affects the world i live in. i may be off base in applying my reasoning to the entire country but this is how the people around me are living.

[DragonUSMC]

i only know what affects me and what affects the world i live in. i may be off base in applying my reasoning to the entire country but this is how the people around me are living.

That may be the case, but your lack of undertsnding of Sociological structure of a society, and the economic structure as a whole, makes your points empty. Can you name the 3 branches of government without looking it up? I have a feeling you cant. In order to better form your rhetoric, I would study up on more Sociology. Blankly looking at the “top” of something and forming some crazy standpoint is exactly what a vast majority of the general public does. They are part of the problem, not a solution. Learn all that you can about something and then decide… jumping on political bandwagons doesn’t really accomplish anything.

[phillyboy]

To be honest with you, there are many reasons why this country is not free (the PATRIOT act, corrupt politicians/law enforcement who neglect many basic rights, etc) but there are many ways in which we are "more free" than the rest of the world. Your thoughts are a good reason to borrow some books from the library and go to amazon.com and buy a bunch of books regarding sociology, economics, and politics and hole yourself up for a while and read. You will most likely find that the more you read, the less cut and dry it is. Sure, I hate LOTS of things about this country. I don't think it's the best country and I don't think it's the worst country. If you're worried about the economic inequality of the United States, you could always go live in a Communist country where everyone is equally as poor except the government.

[DragonUSMC]

In communist Russia....

[phillyboy]

In Soviet Russia, road forks you.

[TheReverend]

That may be the case, but your lack of undertsnding of Sociological structure of a society, and the economic structure as a whole, makes your points empty. Can you name the 3 branches of government without looking it up? I have a feeling you cant. In order to better form your rhetoric, I would study up on more Sociology…jumping on political bandwagons doesn’t really accomplish anything.

well actually i can, i took every government class i could at my high school- but i sucked at math so i couldnt take any economics classes. But sociology could also be the study of a self contained entity pertaining to the human behavior of the people around me....exactly what i said.

My anger and justification for what i said just comes from my life. I get evicted "off the books" by cops once or twice a month and i was arrested for trespassing where i used to live. and dont give me any **** and say that because i believe what i do im a drain on society, because unlike most people like me i have a job- i work at a pizza place i cant even ****ing afford to eat at. i dont exactly have time anymore to do what i want to do- which is learn more about everything, im too busy trying to make ends meet.


and no i dont want to move to communist russia, i love america because as of now its free. and yeah, id fight for her if i knew what i was fighting for. so dont think im hating on america, i just hate the place i live.

[ADRsk8boarder]

actually dont bag on marx and communism the idea is there and would work very well but whenever a communist government arises it turns into a totalitarian state with a dictator

[e.]

wow, spoken like angst filled highschool teen. stay in school and pay more attention in economics class.


America is a capitalist run country. Capitalism forces the rich into power while keeping the poor in poverty, leaving 80% of America in the middle class range that the current goverment can't profit off of. This "surplus population" is kept in its place through corporate exploitation of the money the middle class earns as well as keeping them in fear (ex: "terrorism") which makes way for laws like those in the Patriot Act, further allowing the population to be controlled. We aren't living free, we're living in fear of forces we created and allowing them to run our lives.

im not an anarchist, i just want the bull**** to stop.

[ADRsk8boarder]

and yes we are run by captalism look at every past war i.e. world war I, wwII, cold war, civil war

i agree with thereverand the wealth is concentrated at the top with people who have real power, rich suburban working midle class families may thinkt here better then other people but really have no power....

[phillyboy]

actually dont bag on marx and communism the idea is there and would work very well but whenever a communist government arises it turns into a totalitarian state with a dictator
Such is human nature. Most governments, as well as religions started out with a great idea that would be great for everyone. Power is a temptation for corruption. Unfortunately, most people take the bait.

[TheReverend]

wow, spoken like angst filled highschool teen. stay in school and pay more attention in economics class.

im not in school anymore, hence the whole "i cant do what i want to do- which is learn more" bit.

[Snowcat pat]

and yes we are run by captalism look at every past war i.e. world war I, wwII, cold war, civil war

i agree with thereverand the wealth is concentrated at the top with people who have real power, rich suburban working midle class families may thinkt here better then other people but really have no power....

:doh: :crazy:

Youre reffering to the distribution of wealth, and how the top 10% control a great deal, say 70-75% of the wealth.
When it hits like 90% revolutions seem to occur historically.

There is a large middle class in america which is good, its when there is only the wealthy and the poor that there is trouble brewing. Things seem to have shifted in that direction in the last 6 years.
Make no mistake, the middle class controls the reins of america because we still vote to control our country & hold the majority of votes.
The upper class has its ways of lobbying and being corrupt to get what they want.
W.'s oil buddies as an example have probably doubled or tripled up there bank accounts in the last 6 years.

And your every past war reference was plain ****ing retarded.
WW1 was caused by nationalism and a powder keg of treaties that came into play when the black hand assasinated franz ferdinand among other reasons, not captialism.
WW2 was caused by ww1 ending very unresolved and unfair to germany, not capitalism.
The cold war was to stop the spread of communism, so capitalism has some sembalance of being related.
And the civil war was fought because of economic differences between the industrial north and the agricultural south. Not slavery, or capitalism.


ADR, you go to a private school !?!?!?
:doh:
I think im just going to avoid the politics forum , the maturity and intelligence level is far to low.
Good reply though dragon, its good to see somone knows there stuff here.
-pat

[Snowcat pat]

im not in school anymore, hence the whole "i cant do what i want to do- which is learn more" bit.

One word. College.

[TheReverend]

one word. money. i cant afford college and i cant even take out a loan, not that id get into anything worthwhile anyway i dont have a GED and im only 16

[phillyboy]

why can't you go back to high school? Most people are only halfway done high school at 16.

[TheReverend]

well 1. its summer break and 2. i have to work

[kelly]

why can't you get a loan? if you had a GED you could probably take some classes at a community college to get you started.

[Snowcat pat]

why can't you get a loan? if you had a GED you could probably take some classes at a community college to get you started.

I got expelled from HS @ age 16.
I got a GED and went to college for FREE till I was 18..
I was starting my sophomore yr in college when I was supposed to still be a sr.

And a community college is very worthwhile, 10x better than highschool because youll be treated as an adult.

If you want to learn more, youre the only one stopping yourself.

-pat

[TheReverend]

i wont be able to ever pay off the loan and banks/college invest stuff wont laon money to me.....and plus i really do need to be working because i share an apartment with my brother and i have to pitch for rent and bills

[kelly]

snowcat has good advice - and if you need to work, just go to school part time. And on top of that, if you can get a reasonably good GPA at community college, you should be able to transfer to CSU or CU (or Metro, UNC, etc) if you want, and get a four year degree without any trouble. i have lots of friends who went to see me ski up in steamboat for their associates degree, and then transferred to CU or CSU to finish up their bachelors. FRCC and CCD are also both very linked to the CSU/CU system (hell, CCD even is on the same campus as UCD).

[Snowcat pat]

i wont be able to ever pay off the loan and banks/college invest stuff wont laon money to me.....and plus i really do need to be working because i share an apartment with my brother and i have to pitch for rent and bills

There is no loan. You will get a 100% tuition reimbursement grant.
The state pays for your education if your a minor, regardless of it being in public school or college. So a GED, which is a cakewalk, and a community college are great bets.

Im not gonna start prying into your personal life but if your living on your own at 16 youve got enough goin on most likely. With the comments about the brown sugar earlier, you should probably start thinking about getting on-track.
Because from a ringside seat, things dont look too shiny.

-Pat

[kelly]

i wont be able to ever pay off the loan and banks/college invest stuff wont laon money to me.....and plus i really do need to be working because i share an apartment with my brother and i have to pitch for rent and bills
you'll probably be able to get a need based grant if you're having this much financial trouble... especially to cover community college, which has very low tuition.

and I think you're confused by how a student loan works. the basis for the lending is that you are furthering your education and therefore increasing your future salary potential (and will be able to pay it off). so pretty much anyone can get one, if they are accepted into a school... and, based on need, you can get a large chunk of subsidized loan money, which means you aren't paying interest on the loan for the entire time that you're in school. I think you should go talk to the financial aid office at a community college, I'm pretty sure you'll find that they can and will do a lot to help you figure out how to swing going to school if that's what you want to do.

edit: and if what snowcat says is right and you can get a tuition reimbursement grant, I'd say take advantage of that now, while you're still a minor, and try and get as much of your education out of the way as you can while the grant still applies.

[Snowcat pat]

And to add on what kelly said you should be able to find a community college with a program intregrated into transferring to a university (cu)
The GED is a bare essential, because its equivalent to a diploma it gives you alot of leverage on the job market. So you can be making more money and schoolin it up part time. The GED test is like 8th grade material, if you can write a structured essay and know some geometry and algebra its no problem whatsoever.
All you gotta do is sign up for the test, study and practice if you feel the need.
-Pat

[ADRsk8boarder]

:doh: :crazy:

Youre reffering to the distribution of wealth, and how the top 10% control a great deal, say 70-75% of the wealth.
When it hits like 90% revolutions seem to occur historically.

There is a large middle class in america which is good, its when there is only the wealthy and the poor that there is trouble brewing. Things seem to have shifted in that direction in the last 6 years.
Make no mistake, the middle class controls the reins of america because we still vote to control our country & hold the majority of votes.
The upper class has its ways of lobbying and being corrupt to get what they want.
W.'s oil buddies as an example have probably doubled or tripled up there bank accounts in the last 6 years.

And your every past war reference was plain ****ing retarded.
WW1 was caused by nationalism and a powder keg of treaties that came into play when the black hand assasinated franz ferdinand among other reasons, not captialism.
WW2 was caused by ww1 ending very unresolved and unfair to germany, not capitalism.
The cold war was to stop the spread of communism, so capitalism has some sembalance of being related.
And the civil war was fought because of economic differences between the industrial north and the agricultural south. Not slavery, or capitalism.


ADR, you go to a private school !?!?!?
:doh:
I think im just going to avoid the politics forum , the maturity and intelligence level is far to low.
Good reply though dragon, its good to see somone knows there stuff here.
-pat

sorry ive been out for a while.

pat ur speaking out of ur ****ing ass agian...

world warII= united states signed lend/lease act to make profits off of war by supplyng allies with weapons and muntions

world war I= end of war germany was pt through harsh punishment for the war causing there econony to fail, this kept america and great britain as the biggiset industrialized contries knocking off germany

civil war= north aided by french troops and weapons allowing trade to open between north and south with capialist

cold war= the untied states sent supplies to aid countries against communism... there for american capitalist gained control of that countries economy

u acutally think that the mddle class has power, yes we vote but the real dscions are made with the rich and people with connections

[Snowcat pat]

sorry ive been out for a while.

pat ur speaking out of ur ****ing ass agian...

world warII= united states signed lend/lease act to make profits off of war by supplyng allies with weapons and muntions

world war I= end of war germany was pt through harsh punishment for the war causing there econony to fail, this kept america and great britain as the biggiset industrialized contries knocking off germany

civil war= north aided by french troops and weapons allowing trade to open between north and south with capialist

cold war= the untied states sent supplies to aid countries against communism... there for american capitalist gained control of that countries economy

u acutally think that the mddle class has power, yes we vote but the real dscions are made with the rich and people with connections

ADR YOU ARE A GODDAMNED FUC KING MORON.

I know more about world history than you clearly ever will.
You just spouted off quite a bit of bull****, what the **** kind of school are you going to?

Your misusing some simple facts and adding quite a bit of bull**** to try and prove a point that wasnt right to begin with .
I gave you the reasons those wars started, WW2 was not ****ing fought over lend lease you halfwit.

If and when you learn ANYTHING you can attempt to talk about serious things with the big boys.
Untill then go eat the cat **** outa your sandbox.
Christ I forgot how stupid this countries youth is.

[badattitude]

cant u explain or argue anything without cussing out people? a lot of us don`t know our history, don`t mean u gotta right to be a dikhead bout it.....

[badattitude]

i wont be able to ever pay off the loan and banks/college invest stuff wont laon money to me.....and plus i really do need to be working because i share an apartment with my brother and i have to pitch for rent and bills

can u guys get sum roomies to help with the bills? thats wut me and my bros do...helps in this minimum wage world the richies have made....i feel for u bro!

[DragonUSMC]

cant u explain or argue anything without cussing out people? a lot of us don`t know our history, don`t mean u gotta right to be a dikhead bout it.....

People that don’t know history are doomed to repeat it. Ignorance is not an excuse. I can understand why he got so pissed and cussed the kid out. But the again he is having a battle of wits with an un-armed man… er boy rather.

It’s the ideologies such as he has displayed, that prose no rational thought is gone into it on his own end. No research, no understanding, and therefore has created in his own sense a flawed version of history.

But I feel the same way… I should just stay out of the political threads. The art of debate is just that, and some are just not capable of doing so. For ****s and giggles go here… http://www.debateforums.net (http://www.debateforums.net/) go to the political threads there… learn debate, to cite sources, and being able to address discussions based on written word rather then personal attacks.

[Snowcat pat]

People that don’t know history are doomed to repeat it. Ignorance is not an excuse. I can understand why he got so pissed and cussed the kid out. But the again he is having a battle of wits with an un-armed man… er boy rather.

It’s the ideologies such as he has displayed, that prose no rational thought is gone into it on his own end. No research, no understanding, and therefore has created in his own sense a flawed version of history.

But I feel the same way… I should just stay out of the political threads. The art of debate is just that, and some are just not capable of doing so. For ****s and giggles go here… http://www.debateforums.net (http://www.debateforums.net/) go to the political threads there… learn debate, to cite sources, and being able to address discussions based on written word rather then personal attacks.

Your right once again dragon.
Im gonna get a bit upset when sombody claims that the biggest loss of life in human history happened so the US could sell munitions.

I love to debate, however I cannot debate with a 15 year old boy who claims I am talking out of my ass when everything I said can be confirmed with a simple search.


"cant u explain or argue anything without cussing out people? a lot of us don`t know our history, don`t mean u gotta right to be a dikhead bout it....."
I reserve the right to be a dickhead when sombody doesnt know jack **** about what they are talking about while they are insisting its true.
I reserve the right to be a dickhead when they tell me im speaking out of my ass with history. Its very easy to go look the facts up and prove im correct.

This kids pretty typical in that he doesnt understand that this country is still a democracy and the majority rules as such.

Stick with the evil empire idea kiddo, maybe youll convince yourself.


And history repeats quite frequently, thats why its good to know your stuff.

-Pat

[ADRsk8boarder]

ADR YOU ARE A GODDAMNED FUC KING MORON.

I know more about world history than you clearly ever will.
You just spouted off quite a bit of bull****, what the **** kind of school are you going to?

Your misusing some simple facts and adding quite a bit of bull**** to try and prove a point that wasnt right to begin with .
I gave you the reasons those wars started, WW2 was not ****ing fought over lend lease you halfwit.

If and when you learn ANYTHING you can attempt to talk about serious things with the big boys.
Untill then go eat the cat **** outa your sandbox.
Christ I forgot how stupid this countries youth is.

dude u beleive everything the government says bout why **** happens, u have to go under th surface and learn more boutt the subject before u cuse me out about not knowing anything..... we didnt even want to get involved in the world war 2 at all but when we started to sell muntions to the allies we were kinda forced into it

[Snowcat pat]

dude u beleive everything the government says bout why **** happens, u have to go under th surface and learn more boutt the subject before u cuse me out about not knowing anything..... we didnt even want to get involved in the world war 2 at all but when we started to sell muntions to the allies we were kinda forced into it

Oh, so when the japanese bombed pearl harbor on December 7th 1941 around 8am, we were forced into the war to sell weapons.

So I should "go under th surface" and learn more.

Why dont you learn the basics to begin with and report back when you do sheizkopf

[ADRsk8boarder]

dumbass the lend/lease act was putinto affect before pearl harbor.... we didnt want to get invovled into the war, after the japanese bombed we were forced into war

[shank]

This is getting real fun!

I do have to say that you are well outgunned ADR... but by all means... please continue. :)

[SnoChica]

Share opinions but refrain from name calling and vulgarities or this thread will be closed.

[shank]

You heard her boys.... I dont wanna see any of this!... or this!...nunna that!.... or this!...

All right boys... touch gloves, return to your corners, and at the sound of the bell, come out fightin'!

[Snowcat pat]

dumbass the lend/lease act was putinto affect before pearl harbor.... we didnt want to get invovled into the war, after the japanese bombed we were forced into war

Sorry to burst your bubble.
The lend lease act was passed March 11th 1941.
And I quote.
"(It) Permitted the President of the United States to sell, transfer title to, exchange, lease, lend, or otherwise dispose of, to any such government whose defense the President deems vital to the defense of the United States"

Let me reiterate that for you.
Any such government whose defense the President deems vital to the defense of the United States

So, while your partially right again, your mostly wrong.

Supplying Great Britain with war materiel was the first step America took away from neutrality and isolationism in WW2. So in effect, we did very much so want to get involved in the war. The lend lease program was a major contributor to the allied victory as it was not only England that benefited but the Soviet Union, China, France, and India as well.

Furthermore, the United States did not expect to be payed back for materiel lended, with the exception of what was in transit when the program cocluded in 1945.

So essentially, your argument holds about as much water as a sieve.

"Franklin Roosevelt, eager to assure public consent for this controversial plan, explained to the public and the press that his plan was comparable to one neighbor's lending another a garden hose to put out a fire in his home. "What do I do in such a crisis?" the president asked at a press conference. "I don't say……, 'Neighbor, my garden hose cost me $15; you have to pay me $15 for it.' …I don't want $15 — I want my garden hose back after the fire is over."
Of course the hidden context here is that if the neighbour's house burnt down, then the house next door would be next. The prospect of a German domination of the world was likely a powerfully motivating factor."


Do you need any more schooling? Youre really being shat upon trying to go toe to toe with me in a historic / political debate.
-Pat

[shank]

I believe ADR will see his patchwork quickly unravel...

ooohhh yah!!! look at that pun!

I do think that the citing of information is something ADR hasnt learned yet... That is generally looked over in High School for debates. Once you start compiling your ideas you often take a step back and go... what the hell was I thinking?

I definitely know though at 15 I didnt know how the world really worked. I shared alot of different views on life and the world. Often times they were very eccentric. Hell, they still are... lol. I just knew enough to keep my mouth shut and not charge blindly into conversations I knew nothing about. I would listen to others and see what I felt to be true. After a good bit of research I would end up with my views. Unless you have facts to back it up, its an opinion.

All I can say is that ADR, you will look back at yourself from bigger shoes and laugh at your previous self. That is the beauty of hindsight.

[ADRsk8boarder]

yea and when did pearl harbor happen.... ohh yea december 7th, 1941, but u cant say that the lend/lease act was not passed because of american business looking to get rich

[Snowcat pat]

WRONG
Lend lease was passed to stop German domination of the planet.
Had Great Britain fallen, which it surely would have without U.S. assistance we would not have had a platform to launch the normandy invasion.
The Soviets would have fallen without our assistance as well.
Had Germany focused on fighting one front of the war at a time they would have surely won. However the japs got us involved which turned the tide of the war.

"So essentially, your argument holds about as much water as a sieve.

"Franklin Roosevelt, eager to assure public consent for this controversial plan, explained to the public and the press that his plan was comparable to one neighbor's lending another a garden hose to put out a fire in his home. "What do I do in such a crisis?" the president asked at a press conference. "I don't say……, 'Neighbor, my garden hose cost me $15; you have to pay me $15 for it.' …I don't want $15 — I want my garden hose back after the fire is over."
Of course the hidden context here is that if the neighbour's house burnt down, then the house next door would be next. The prospect of a German domination of the world was likely a powerfully motivating factor."

Thats a quote from my previous post, from the president at the time, FDR.

So no, we werent looking to make money, we were looking to survive mmkay?

I wish I felt as omniescent as I did when I was 15.
-pat

[User Name]

Your right once again dragon.
Im gonna get a bit upset when sombody claims that the biggest loss of life in human history happened so the US could sell munitions.

I love to debate, however I cannot debate with a 15 year old boy who claims I am talking out of my ass when everything I said can be confirmed with a simple search.


"cant u explain or argue anything without cussing out people? a lot of us don`t know our history, don`t mean u gotta right to be a dikhead bout it....."
I reserve the right to be a dickhead when sombody doesnt know jack **** about what they are talking about while they are insisting its true.
I reserve the right to be a dickhead when they tell me im speaking out of my ass with history. Its very easy to go look the facts up and prove im correct.

This kids pretty typical in that he doesnt understand that this country is still a democracy and the majority rules as such.

Stick with the evil empire idea kiddo, maybe youll convince yourself.


And history repeats quite frequently, thats why its good to know your stuff.

-Pat
I agree with what you are saying in this thread but one thing I have to take issue with is that America is not a democracy and I think democracy is a terrible form of government. Democracy is basically mob rule, whatever the majority wants, while the rights of people in the minority get trampled on. America is a Constitutional Republic, the rule of law where the rights of the minority can be protected. Big difference.

[Snowcat pat]

I agree with what you are saying in this thread but one thing I have to take issue with is that America is not a democracy and I think democracy is a terrible form of government. Democracy is basically mob rule, whatever the majority wants, while the rights of people in the minority get trampled on. America is a Constitutional Republic, the rule of law where the rights of the minority can be protected. Big difference.

Well, fortunately enough, the majority gets what it wants to a good extent.
If people would take the time to write to senators, your voices would be heard more.
I guess I was wrong in calling it a democracy if you bust me down to it, I could probably find some skewed source to prove it but I dont feel like arguing that one.
W/e you wanna call it is great because the majority gets what it wants, minorities have it great here compared to elsewhere. And they too, when they make enough noise are heard. As a whole they comprise almost the other half of the population of the country so saying their rights are trampled on is pretty funny.

[ADRsk8boarder]

the longest lasting form of government in the end i beleive will be a constutional monachry as in great britain.....

also the u.s. wasnt even thinking bout normandy yet, dday happend in 1944, three years after the lend/lease act happened... we signed the lend/ lease act after the battle of britain i beleive which was in 1940 ...the united states declares war on japan in 1941 and enters into world war... then in 1941 atlantic charter to keep free tade open between great britan and united states for economic gain

[Snowcat pat]

the longest lasting form of government in the end i beleive will be a constutional monachry as in great britain.....

also the u.s. wasnt even thinking bout normandy yet, dday happend in 1944, three years after the lend/lease act happened... we signed the lend/ lease act after the battle of britain i beleive which was in 1940 ...the united states declares war on japan in 1941 and enters into world war... then in 1941 atlantic charter to keep free tade open between great britan and united states for economic gain

:blah:
It all went right over your head, reread FDR's speech I posted.

[ADRsk8boarder]

yea we were aiding g.b. but only cause we wanted money

[Snowcat pat]

yea we were aiding g.b. but only cause we wanted money

A. We didnt make a whole lot of money off the program. Most of the stuff was GIVEN.
B. Money had absolutely nothing to do with it. * Though it did good things for the economy.
Once again, it was survival.
D day never would have occurred without lend lease.
VJ day never would have occurred without lend lease.

America would have had to stand alone against a Germany dominated world.
The Germans had intentions of cleansing the world of anyone who wasnt caucasian.
Including the japs when the time was right.

We wouldnt have complied or allied with them, we would have been invaded and lost.

And then our happy little constitutional republic would be a dictatorship.
Bye bye minorities.


But FDR was a hell of a leader. And things went well / germany ****ed up.

[badattitude]

ADR.....

I think u might b confussing issues a bit in that yeah there was war prift taking on the part of greedy peeps runnin companies....that happens and right now its way outa control with hallburton and all....i don`t really know jack sheet bout history much but snowcats pretty right on bout FDR. he wanted to get involved in the war way sooner, but ther wasnt support for it by congress and the public...i think the lend-lease thing was a way for him to do what he could to slow hitler down. when japan bombed the piss outta a pearl harbor, it was kinda a good thing because that got us going since i think i read that japan and hitler were allies so we were then sort of automaticly at war with hitler. the longer we delayed the harder it would have been to win the war......remember that star trek flick where kirk and spok went back in time and had to let that lady die like she was spossed to? her living caused the us to delay entry into ww2 and that allowed germany to get the a bomb first......was a cool episode...wow...been smokin to much i guess...got like totally side tracked dude....anyway thats wut i think snowcat is gettin at....kind of hard to get what he means when hes reeming you though so hey snowcat...cill out a bit and dont be so mean...you got good info there really, but your delivery just pisse peeps off and they dont hear wut your tryin to say brah!

[badattitude]

oh yeah adr im not picin on ya you got some good points and make for discussion...i just think snowcat is historicly right on this point....peace dude

[shank]

Democracy is basically mob rule, whatever the majority wants, while the rights of people in the minority get trampled on.
Minorities can get what ever they want... All anyone has to do is start throwing around the race card. It is sickening. The only real minority that deserves anything in this country are the Native Americans.

lol, funny fact.... did you know that caucasians will soon become a minority? Isnt that gonna flip the scales... I am very curious if when that happens, how many times the language will try getting changed to spanish.

[User Name]

When I said minority I wasn’t just referring to racial terms. I think majority rule is terrible, in the Revolutionary War the majority was against it and at one time the majority thought slavery was ok. Just because the majority thinks something doesn’t mean it is right, the majority has frequently been wrong.

And we are a Republic, you will not find Democracy in our founding documents or quotes from the founders. The pledge says “Republic for which it stands” not “Democracy for which it stands”.

[DragonUSMC]

I believe ADR will see his patchwork quickly unravel...

ooohhh yah!!! look at that pun!

I do think that the citing of information is something ADR hasnt learned yet... That is generally looked over in High School for debates. Once you start compiling your ideas you often take a step back and go... what the hell was I thinking?

I definitely know though at 15 I didnt know how the world really worked. I shared alot of different views on life and the world. Often times they were very eccentric. Hell, they still are... lol. I just knew enough to keep my mouth shut and not charge blindly into conversations I knew nothing about. I would listen to others and see what I felt to be true. After a good bit of research I would end up with my views. Unless you have facts to back it up, its an opinion.

All I can say is that ADR, you will look back at yourself from bigger shoes and laugh at your previous self. That is the beauty of hindsight.

Hind site is wonderful... but what I wouldn’t give to be naive again =(

Life is so much easier when what you think is “how it really works” to you.

Also a good example of history repeating itself is how Germany attacked Russia… Germany was wiping out Russian troops and units, but they decided it would be fun to attack during Russian winter. Cut supply lines and insane weather conditions helped play a huge part in Russia’s defense.

If I remember correctly I think someone else tried this… oh yeah Napoleon.

[DragonUSMC]

When I said minority I wasn’t just referring to racial terms. I think majority rule is terrible, in the Revolutionary War the majority was against it and at one time the majority thought slavery was ok. Just because the majority thinks something doesn’t mean it is right, the majority has frequently been wrong.

And we are a Republic, you will not find Democracy in our founding documents or quotes from the founders. The pledge says “Republic for which it stands” not “Democracy for which it stands”.

Democracy – Free and equal representation of people. - the free and equal right of every person to participate in a system of government, often practiced by electing representatives of the people by the people

Republic – State with powerful electorate - a state or other political unit with a form of government in which the supreme power is in the hands of representatives elected by the people


How are these not synonyms?

And no sometimes the Majority is not always correct… but history has proven that these wrongs work themselves out to become right. Your own example is proof.

[User Name]

Democracy – Free and equal representation of people. - the free and equal right of every person to participate in a system of government, often practiced by electing representatives of the people by the people

Republic – State with powerful electorate - a state or other political unit with a form of government in which the supreme power is in the hands of representatives elected by the people


How are these not synonyms?

And no sometimes the Majority is not always correct… but history has proven that these wrongs work themselves out to become right. Your own example is proof.

I agree that posting a definition makes them seem similar but our founders rejected Democracy. In a Democracy whatever the majority wants it gets. In our Constitutional Republic the majority doesn’t always get what it wants because we have the Constitution limiting the power of the government so if the majority wants something and it is against the Constitution the majority doesn’t get what it wants. The Supreme Court strikes down laws that the majority wants but go against the Constitution. That is the difference between the two.

[DragonUSMC]

I agree that posting a definition makes them seem similar but our founders rejected Democracy. In a Democracy whatever the majority wants it gets. In our Constitutional Republic the majority doesn’t always get what it wants because we have the Constitution limiting the power of the government so if the majority wants something and it is against the Constitution the majority doesn’t get what it wants. The Supreme Court strikes down laws that the majority wants but go against the Constitution. That is the difference between the two.

Ah i see your stand point and the difference you present. I didnt think about it this way, but that is very true. But wasnt the Constitution created by the people as a foundation to base these "majority rules" objectives out? Therefore the Constitution's limitations and directives are the "majortiy rules"? And this is why we can make amendment to the constitution as a foundation to update it to current times and practices? What is your take on that? (very good debate stratagy by the way) =D

[ADRsk8boarder]

ok off that topic cause i will concede.... but i think its funny that russia joined the germans then germany ****ed them by invading, and russians didnt have **** the only reasons they fended off germany was cause they had people.... 25,568,000 million people died in russia where as 495,000 died in u.s, 388,000 died in g.b.(www.threeworldwars.com)

[Snowcat pat]

Excellent breakdown on the status of the united states & democracy.
Napoleon & Hitler quickly learned that the Russian winter is the greatest barrier in the way of Moscow. Had hitlet held off his attack in the west the war would have been drasticly different.
The Soviets had American industrial backing, along with an enormous amount of manpower. Regardless, fighting the Axis powers alone would have been the end for russia.

Its bull**** that this country imposes spanish on the english speakers and not english on the spanish speakers. Minorities are given special rights and treatment. The double standards disgust me.

I could go on forever about them.
United negro college fund, black history month or w/e theres too many instances to list.

A bunch of blacks beat up a white kid in the city, as far as im concerned it s a hate crime but not in the eyes of the law.

Bull****.

Meine ehre heisst treue
-Pat

[DragonUSMC]

^ heh... on that i was turned down for a job in Vail because of my lack of fluency in Spanish. EXTREMELY over qualified for the position. Every other country has a "National" language, why dont we get one?

BLAH!! off topic...

I do find it amusing that throughout history these military tactics and blunders continuously are repeated. I cannot count the times our super high up’s would be like “go do blab la bla” we all stand and look at each other and say “ummm, we’ve done that before… yeah and it didn’t work then. So ummm, we’re going to do it our own way… kthxbye.” A good CO will realize that sometimes overall commander strategy should be changed based on the experiences for the people actually COMMITING the mission.

[ADRsk8boarder]

wait the united states national language is english... spanish is not forced on.... im confused

[DragonUSMC]

yes you are right, but a national language is not to be confused with the predominant language, which is spoken by the majority of people from within a country's borders.

National language makes it a requirement to become a citizen

^hold on that I'm looking for the cite on that, and that could be askewed...

[ADRsk8boarder]

no ur right to become a legal citizen u have to be able to speak english to get into america

[DragonUSMC]

yeah but I think it is only to a certain extent... where as establishing a "national language" means high proficiency

[Snowcat pat]

10-4
Vail has a **** ton of mexicans.

But theres a ton of brazilians too and they speak portugese so WTF!?
I can see why it would be best for an officer of the law to be bilingual in spanish just to keep communication open. Personally id be communicating with my baton/flashlight/taser , .40 if they lifted a finger.
This is why im not a cop though hahaha.

They attempted to force me to learn spanish in school.
I remember reading about all the schools in CO and in CA that are offering duel language education.
Lets sqaunder some more tax dollars, let them learn english, if they are going anywhere in this country they are gonna have to anyways.

Dont give me the "its not fair bull****" **** them.

Very irritating, this country.

[ADRsk8boarder]

yea i go to school in california and at my private school we can learn spanish, latin, french , or german.......but at most public schools i think its just spanish and italian and possibly french

[DragonUSMC]

There is a town in Iowa where half the class speaks English and the other half only Spanish... I started learning Spanish in Kindergarden. In first grade my best friend could barely speak a few sentences in English... So stuff like that is happening alot of places... even the 20 some years ago when i was in kindergarden.

[Snowcat pat]

^ Agreed, however in my system tax cuts meant that we could only "choose" spanish which means we were forced into learning it.
I woulda went with the deutsch myself.

I dont like it when languages and cultures are imposed upon me.
I imagine they dont either but guess what, if you wanna make it here you better adapt and assymilate a little.

-Pat

[ADRsk8boarder]

but it is pretty smart to take spanish specially in cali, azrizona, and texas with all the immigrants

[Snowcat pat]

Jobwise yes, and learning a few languages never hurts.

Plus you can hear what those ****ers are talking about around you , should they talk about you youll know it.

-Pat

[DragonUSMC]

^ Agreed, however in my system tax cuts meant that we could only "choose" spanish which means we were forced into learning it.
I woulda went with the deutsch myself.

I dont like it when languages and cultures are imposed upon me.
I imagine they dont either but guess what, if you wanna make it here you better adapt and assymilate a little.

-Pat

oh it was forced on us... I didnt think anything of it... i mean Christ i was 5!! I just knew that for some reason, half the class i couldnt talk to, and that for 2 hours a day i learned to speak spanish.

[ADRsk8boarder]

daaaaamn two hours that suks

[Snowcat pat]

^ thats like when I was strip searched for weapons when I was 7.
I didnt realize my rights were being stomped on.

[DragonUSMC]

daaaaamn two hours that suks

common dude! when your that young school is still fun!! Its not like we learned gramatically correct sentences... just colors and number and important stuff like "Hay una fiesta en mi pantalones, y tu' inventacion!!" see, the important stuff.

[DragonUSMC]

^ thats like when I was strip searched for weapons when I was 7.
I didnt realize my rights were being stomped on.

"look son... i know you have the crack rock hidden in your under-roo's... dont hide it from us" lmao... sorry, i couldnt resist.

[ADRsk8boarder]

no me gusta mis pantollones

[kelly]

puedes comprar pantalones nuevos?

[SnoChica]

pardon me, do you have any grey poupon?

[Snowcat pat]

"look son... i know you have the crack rock hidden in your under-roo's... dont hide it from us" lmao... sorry, i couldnt resist.

Ahahha,I was carving trees with this TINY pocketknife that wouldnt even shave a fingernail. I found it in my jacket pocket adnwas like oh ****, this was pre columbine..
I told one kid and he ratted so the next day I was strip searched.

My father came in very angry I was strip searched and I got suspended for him giving the principal so much ****.

Justice in action haha.

[DragonUSMC]

Ahahha,I was carving trees with this TINY pocketknife that wouldnt even shave a fingernail. I found it in my jacket pocket adnwas like oh ****, this was pre columbine..
I told one kid and he ratted so the next day I was strip searched.

My father came in very angry I was strip searched and I got suspended for him giving the principal so much ****.

Justice in action haha.

lol... dont lie, you were stickin up the other 2nd graders for their milk money. =P
I always hid my milk money in my shoes... thats why i walk funny now :frown:

[shank]

I could go on forever about them.
United negro college fund, black history month or w/e theres too many instances to list.

A bunch of blacks beat up a white kid in the city, as far as im concerned it s a hate crime but not in the eyes of the law.

That kills me too... if there is a black history month... there better also be an asian history month, a native american history month, a white history month, latin american history month... but really... they should all get wiped. Its crap! You shouldnt get acknowledged just because of your color... If your contribution to the world wasnt important enough to go in the history book... then it doesnt need to be reported on. If learning about George Washington Carver and the creation of peanut butter needs a whole month... what the hell!

I cant stand it. lol... by the way, I am in no way rascist. If I come off that way, I apologize.

there was protests at Kent University... do you know what for? A black student ran over a white student with a car. The black student got expelled from the school because he broke the school rules.(I dont know the details completely, but I believe he was high or drunk.) The white kid nearly died... The Black rights community was there for 2 weeks(at the time my friend told me about it... could very well be much longer.) They were throwing out the race card! I told my friend to get out there and protest the protesters... tell them to go home.... lol. I would get beat up by an angry mob if i went to school there.

I dont care if it is womens rights groups or any other group.

Ahahha,I was carving trees with this TINY pocketknife that wouldnt even shave a fingernail. I found it in my jacket pocket adnwas like oh ****, this was pre columbine..
I told one kid and he ratted so the next day I was strip searched.

My father came in very angry I was strip searched and I got suspended for him giving the principal so much ****.

Justice in action haha.

Thats so harsh....

Post columbine Me and a friend had a comic book series that we did... In one of our comics we had one of th student putting bombs in all of the lockers and blowing up the school. lol.. I think my character got killed from it. anyway, the kid who we portrayed as that got upset and went to the principal. This was 8th grade lol. We had characters for alot of the people in the school, lol. anyway, we didnt even get suspended... I guess it is because my friend is so charismatic, lol.

I also accidently brought in a 6 inch blade when I was 8 or 9... I just stashed it...lol, I was worried the whole day.

yea i go to school in california and at my private school we can learn spanish, latin, french , or german.......but at most public schools i think its just spanish and italian and possibly french

lol, latin is only useful if you are going into medicine.... I took latin in 5th grade... none of it stuck, lol.

I learned spanish in high school, and I am currently trying to learn German. German has to be the coolest sounding language around...

*******

Sorry for regressing guys... I have been busy... lol.

[Fae]

That kills me too... if there is a black history month... there better also be an asian history month, a native american history month, a white history month, latin american history month

I'm sure there is a heritage month for many of those. I know for a fact that Native American and Asian Americans have heritage months. As for a "white" history month, if you do google searches for a country's heritage month, a lot of stuff comes up for that as well. (Like I just checked "Italian history month," and plenty of links appeared.

[shank]

I'm sure there is a heritage month for many of those. I know for a fact that Native American and Asian Americans have heritage months. As for a "white" history month, if you do google searches for a country's heritage month, a lot of stuff comes up for that as well. (Like I just checked "Italian history month," and plenty of links appeared.
The months may be there, but are they forced on students is the question.... Only one is that I know of.

[SnoChica]

I'm sad that we have to say things like "Post Columbine" and "Pre 9/11" Anyone else?

I'm also just saddened by the amount of anger I read on these pages day after day.

[Snowcat pat]

I'm sure there is a heritage month for many of those. I know for a fact that Native American and Asian Americans have heritage months. As for a "white" history month, if you do google searches for a country's heritage month, a lot of stuff comes up for that as well. (Like I just checked "Italian history month," and plenty of links appeared.

Ok.
Then the publicity black history month gets isnt right.
How bouth the negro college fund?
If there was one just for whites sharpton & jackson would be all over it.


Reverse racism like chappelle was sayin in that animal movie..

[ADRsk8boarder]

pardon me, do you have any grey poupon?

haha yes missouer

[Fae]

I'm merely pointing out that there is this sort of thing for almost all race and ethnic groups. When I was a senior in high school, I started getting a ton of mail from the Sons and Daughters of Italy letting my know that I was eligible for lots of scholarships and stuff like that. And since Italians are Caucasian, you can certainly get away with that sort of thing.

Anyway, I'm really not here to start a fight, just wanted to let people know that there are programs available for many many groups of people, not just the ones that we hear about often.

[ADRsk8boarder]

Reverse racism like chappelle was sayin in that animal movie..

im rick james BIIIITCH

[SnoChica]

haha yes missouer
That would be "madamoiselle"

[ADRsk8boarder]

ohh yea right ur a chick haha my b

[shank]

I'm merely pointing out that there is this sort of thing for almost all race and ethnic groups. When I was a senior in high school, I started getting a ton of mail from the Sons and Daughters of Italy letting my know that I was eligible for lots of scholarships and stuff like that. And since Italians are Caucasian, you can certainly get away with that sort of thing.

Anyway, I'm really not here to start a fight, just wanted to let people know that there are programs available for many many groups of people, not just the ones that we hear about often.
Thats crazy... how much Italian do you have in you? Im 3/4 german. I didnt get anything from the "Söhne und Töchter von Deutschland"...lol.

You can get a scholarship for being left handed.

No worries, no fights :)

There are a lot of good groups out there. But there are also alot of other race groups out there that are fueled by other motives. There isnt a native american history month that is mandatory in schools... I think that should replace the black history month. If there was any one 1 group that was wronged in the history of our country... it was them. They definitely deserve all the aid they get. They also are rising up as a culture and society and supporting themselves now...

I also have a thing against Columbus day... lol... but thats a whole different story.

[DragonUSMC]

I'm merely pointing out that there is this sort of thing for almost all race and ethnic groups. When I was a senior in high school, I started getting a ton of mail from the Sons and Daughters of Italy letting my know that I was eligible for lots of scholarships and stuff like that. And since Italians are Caucasian, you can certainly get away with that sort of thing.

Anyway, I'm really not here to start a fight, just wanted to let people know that there are programs available for many many groups of people, not just the ones that we hear about often.

I dont think he was starting any type of fight... not a personal flame just standard debate.

Can italians not be black, or of Spainard decent? I know alot of South Africans that are White? Are they not from the same origin that African Americans are from? Do they also not qualify for such benefits from the NAACP?

I see a very vaild point... racism in any fashion is wrong. But i think people are mistaken that it cannot happen both ways. "The best people for the job, reguardless of race or creed."

[ADRsk8boarder]

south africa is all white cause it was contoled by rich english people during apartheid and have stayed there still making the richest percent of south africa

[ADRsk8boarder]

i saw this shirt with some guy with mutton chops and a huge afro looked like he was from the 70's.. and it said "shut up honkey" i wanted to get it so bad but then i realized i myself am white

[shank]

I know alot of South Africans that are White? Are they not from the same origin that African Americans are from? Do they also not qualify for such benefits from the NAACP?

Good angle!... except they wouldnt apply for the NAACP... they lack the "C".

[Fae]

south africa is all white cause it was contoled by rich english people during apartheid and have stayed there still making the richest percent of south africa

To be exact, the English and Dutch started to colonize South Africa and in the 40s (I think) set up apartheid laws to institutionalize racial discrimination. Race laws were in pretty much in all areas of life, from having only white jobs to forbidding an interracial marriage. It's pretty ****ed up stuff, definitely a crazy bit of history to read about.

[DragonUSMC]

To be exact, the English and Dutch started to colonize South Africa and in the 40s (I think) set up apartheid laws to institutionalize racial discrimination. Race laws were in pretty much in all areas of life, from having only white jobs to forbidding an interracial marriage. It's pretty ****ed up stuff, definitely a crazy bit of history to read about.

oh no i agree it is VERY screwed up. South Africa started to be colonized in the end of the 18th century. And all you said is true... But prior to that, it has been discovered that humaniods roamed that area about 3million years ago. So about the time South Africa was still mesopotamia... does that mean those people are African?

My point is really that a line needs to be drawn... and this constant seperation and reiteration of that fact, simply impeads progress. Therefore making all these "months" just another way to say... "hey!!! remember a billion years ago!?!?! yeah your ancesters did THIS to me!!!!" and that is just pretensious non-sense.

[SnoChica]

Geez.... why don't we just take this all the way back to Pangea and say that since the world was at one time one massive continent, everyone on the planet is therefore Pangean.

[Fae]

Can we do that please? I want to be Pangean!

[DragonUSMC]

south africa is all white cause it was contoled by rich english people during apartheid and have stayed there still making the richest percent of south africa

actually it was the Dutch and the British that started to colonize it because they wanted to secure supply routes. This started the Anglo-Boer Wars (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Boer_Wars). I dont know if you would call these people rich, because back in that time frame such trade was controlled by the monarchy, which would basicly be their government.

[shank]

oh no i agree it is VERY screwed up. South Africa started to be colonized in the end of the 18th century. And all you said is true... But prior to that, it has been discovered that humaniods roamed that area about 3million years ago. So about the time South Africa was still mesopotamia... does that mean those people are African?

My point is really that a line needs to be drawn... and this constant seperation and reiteration of that fact, simply impeads progress. Therefore making all these "months" just another way to say... "hey!!! remember a billion years ago!?!?! yeah your ancesters did THIS to me!!!!" and that is just pretensious non-sense.
Everyone is a fellow Pangean!!!!!! yahooooo. lol. thats called unity.

I concur Dragon.

[DragonUSMC]

Geez.... why don't we just take this all the way back to Pangea and say that since the world was at one time one massive continent, everyone on the planet is therefore Pangean.

isnt that the puriest form on non-racism?

[shank]

wow!! i completely skipped over the other pangean remarks... whoopsies...

lol, only thing is though... I dont know if hardcore bible beaters would like that...

[DragonUSMC]

I'm religious but i still believe in science...

I'm just saying that seperation impeads progress... and if the human race is going to make it anywhere we are going to have to get over these lines.

Wow that sounds all hippie and stuff, especially comming from someone who's done what i have done. But why not... TRUE unity... why are these groups so against it?

[SnoChica]

That's it... starting today when people ask me "What are you?" I'm answering "Pangean"

[DragonUSMC]

That's it... starting today when people ask me "What are you?" I'm answering "Pangean"

Hell yeah!! I'm in...
+1

[shank]

+2!

lol, the sad part is that the world is full of idiots... they will be like... hmmm, what part of Europe is that?

[DragonUSMC]

sometimes just 1 can start a revolution... this is punk at its puriest form!!!

[Snowcat pat]

Hahah, non racism is realizing that regardless of color we all fall under the homo sapiens definition.

Pangean is much too far back. We have evolved a bit since then, well , alot.
Some of us.
lol.

[ADRsk8boarder]

actually it was the Dutch and the British that started to colonize it because they wanted to secure supply routes. This started the Anglo-Boer Wars (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Boer_Wars). I dont know if you would call these people rich, because back in that time frame such trade was controlled by the monarchy, which would basicly be their government.

yea its was the dutch farmers first then the brits came in and forced the dutch farmers known as boers to move inland where the became known as afrikaners where they kicked the zulus ass

[thedude]

actually dont bag on marx and communism the idea is there and would work very well but whenever a communist government arises it turns into a totalitarian state with a dictator

all types of government have their dictators, from capitalism to communism, form constitutional monarchy to anarchy... basically we are ****ed in some way, shape, or form, no matter what we choose. and you know what bro? it toally sucks ass... the onyl thing to fix all of this is for people to quit beign to hungry for power and money and unify for the greater good. this idealism is impossibel though, becase as humans, we aim to better ourselves. i woudl love for nothing more than the wordl to have compleate unity, but the way everyone segregates themselves, socially and politically, the dream overall is impossible.

[thedude]

Hahah, non racism is realizing that regardless of color we all fall under the homo sapiens definition.

Pangean is much too far back. We have evolved a bit since then, well , alot.
Some of us.
lol.

racism = negative connotations we use to catagorize people within the human race.

religion = evil. the only cool time when religion was stillin true pagen form was when thre vikigns went arodun slaugtering the shti out of people. screw your ninjas and pirates, it's all about vikings! GWAR! (jk, but i still think religion is a shame, i see nothign but bulshti behind all of it, and trust me, i ahve tried to figure it all out, but it is impossible; too many conflicting views within individual religions)

[ADRsk8boarder]

evil = mormon religion

a great book on the history is "UNDER THE BANNER OF HEAVEN" by Jon Krakauer it is a very intesting book and shows how wierd the religion is and how it came round.. please take no offense cause im catholic and thats pretty wacked out

here its is off amazon http://www.amazon.com/gp/product/1400032806/102-2287852-2250535?v=glance&n=283155

[DragonUSMC]

racism = negative connotations we use to catagorize people within the human race.

religion = evil. the only cool time when religion was stillin true pagen form was when thre vikigns went arodun slaugtering the shti out of people. screw your ninjas and pirates, it's all about vikings! GWAR! (jk, but i still think religion is a shame, i see nothign but bulshti behind all of it, and trust me, i ahve tried to figure it all out, but it is impossible; too many conflicting views within individual religions)

Religion is what you make of it i think... All in all i just believe its a way to help you live your life. But i knew alot of Marines who were "Atheists" But when things started blowing up and bullets wizzed by your ears, everyone prays to something... doesnt matter what.

[DragonUSMC]

evil = mormon religion

a great book on the history is "UNDER THE BANNER OF HEAVEN" by Jon Krakauer it is a very intesting book and shows how wierd the religion is and how it came round.. please take no offense cause im catholic and thats pretty wacked out

here its is off amazon http://www.amazon.com/gp/product/1400032806/102-2287852-2250535?v=glance&n=283155

Actually thats a VERY good book... yeah I'm Episcopal, but like i said, i still believe in science, but sometimes when things are bad in your life, and you need hope of any kind, i dont think its wrong to pray for help or guidance in some way... whatever you pray to. I think God it pretty general.

Wanna see religion gone bezerk? Westboro Baptist Church... http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Pi77koTk8mc&search=fred%20phelps

[shank]

Actually thats a VERY good book... yeah I'm Episcopal, but like i said, i still believe in science, but sometimes when things are bad in your life, and you need hope of any kind, i dont think its wrong to pray for help or guidance in some way... whatever you pray to. I think God it pretty general.

Wanna see religion gone bezerk? Westboro Baptist Church... http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Pi77koTk8mc&search=fred%20phelps

Oh yah, I know that bitch is wacko! If I lived in the area, any time one of their membership died, Id take signs to their funeral and say "enjoy hell!". and just completely ruin the whole thing... Id get a whole parade out there, complete with air horns and mardi gras beads.

Id like to punch that crazy bitch right in the face. Her dad needs to go also...

[shank]

Hahah, non racism is realizing that regardless of color we all fall under the homo sapiens definition.

Pangean is much too far back. We have evolved a bit since then, well , alot.
Some of us.
lol.
I know I have seen some people that really resemble the Neanderthal...

how about just saying we are Earthian?

A couple weeks ago, this guy and girl walked up to us while we were walking down the road(it was about 3AM). She asked where they were... My friend responded with Ohio... lol. He beat me to the punch, I wanted to say Earth, or kick it up a notch and say the Milky Way. or just "here" would have worked... maybe next time. :)